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  Message Not Read  Unintended Consequences of NIL & Transfer Portal
   Posted: 3/29/2024 1:05:03 AM 
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)

Last Edited: 3/29/2024 1:11:19 AM by FormerMember
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unintended Consequences of NIL & Transfer Portal
   Posted: 4/1/2024 11:47:14 AM 
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.
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   Posted: 4/1/2024 11:54:01 AM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.
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   Posted: 4/1/2024 3:28:12 PM 


Last Edited: 4/1/2024 3:31:50 PM by ohiocatfan1
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unintended Consequences of NIL & Transfer Portal
   Posted: 4/1/2024 3:31:03 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.




I have no issue with the portal. Maybe some modest changes in when it opens/closes but beyond that it's fine. As long as coaches can jump from job to job the players should be able to jump from school to school. As for NIL it's probably not perfect but what did the NCAA think was going to happen when they were swimming in billions of dollars and the players were getting none of that?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unintended Consequences of NIL & Transfer Portal
   Posted: 4/1/2024 4:05:11 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.


Essentially we have college athletics in a transition period and the NCAA is powerless to address what's going on.

I used to be in denial about it but I'm not really sure how a good amount of lower D1 schools are going to operate moving forward unless they accept that they'll likely struggle to retain their own players on a yearly basis and can no longer focus on youth and development. Their one proven path to success has basically been ripped away from them.

I'm not against NIL or the portal but it's clear that it benefits programs with stronger financial backing and has turned the "amateur" model of college sports into more of a minor league feeder system that pretends to care about "student athletes"

I will also say that in my opinion, Ohio has handled the transition better than the majority of their peers in the MAC.

Last Edited: 4/1/2024 5:04:55 PM by FormerMember
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unintended Consequences of NIL & Transfer Portal
   Posted: 4/1/2024 4:20:08 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.




I have no issue with the portal. Maybe some modest changes in when it opens/closes but beyond that it's fine. As long as coaches can jump from job to job the players should be able to jump from school to school. As for NIL it's probably not perfect but what did the NCAA think was going to happen when they were swimming in billions of dollars and the players were getting none of that?



The recent NCAA legislation that got shot down allowed players to transfer a 2nd time without sitting out in special circumstances including mental health and medical related issues or in cases which their head coach left their school.

That was probably the most fair compromise the NCAA has made and it still got shot down in court.

College sports rely on continuity. That's just not possible in this current culture and mid-majors are getting impacted the most. Fan support in terms of D1 attendance has been declining over the past few decades as it is. How much longer will supporters of smaller programs continue to care if the recent trends keep up.

This is from a recent Sports Illustrated article from two weeks ago:

"In terms of conferences, 52 players (11.1%) come from high major institutions, and the remaining 415 (88.9%) from the mid-major ranks. Of high major players, 64.5% played either benchwarmer or deep bench minutes. For well over half of those entering the portal from high major schools, there is an indication that finding a landing spot where they can see the court is of priority."

Last Edited: 4/1/2024 6:01:31 PM by FormerMember
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unintended Consequences of NIL & Transfer Portal
   Posted: 4/1/2024 4:22:44 PM 
FormerMember wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.


Essentially we have college athletics in crisis and the NCAA is powerless to address the issue.

I used to be in denial about it but I'm not really sure how a good amount of lower D1 schools are going to operate moving forward unless they accept that they'll likely struggle to retain their own players on a yearly basis and can no longer focus on youth and development. Their one proven path to success has basically been ripped away from them.

I'm not against NIL or the portal but it's clear that it benefits programs with stronger financial backing and has turned the "amateur" model of college sports into more of a minor league feeder system that pretends to care about "student athletes"

I will also say that in my opinion, Ohio has handled the transition better than the majority of their peers in the MAC.


Programs with stronger financial backing have always had the upper hand and always will. I agree Ohio has handled it pretty well.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Unintended Consequences of NIL & Transfer Portal
   Posted: 4/1/2024 4:26:44 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.


Essentially we have college athletics in crisis and the NCAA is powerless to address the issue.

I used to be in denial about it but I'm not really sure how a good amount of lower D1 schools are going to operate moving forward unless they accept that they'll likely struggle to retain their own players on a yearly basis and can no longer focus on youth and development. Their one proven path to success has basically been ripped away from them.

I'm not against NIL or the portal but it's clear that it benefits programs with stronger financial backing and has turned the "amateur" model of college sports into more of a minor league feeder system that pretends to care about "student athletes"

I will also say that in my opinion, Ohio has handled the transition better than the majority of their peers in the MAC.


Programs with stronger financial backing have always had the upper hand and always will. I agree Ohio has handled it pretty well.



You're correct about that and that'll always be the case. I think the bigger question is if college athletics is sustainable for the lower half of D1 basketball programs in the current model.

Last Edited: 4/1/2024 4:26:59 PM by FormerMember
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   Posted: 4/1/2024 4:41:51 PM 
FormerMember wrote:

Essentially we have college athletics in crisis and the NCAA is powerless to address the issue.

I used to be in denial about it but I'm not really sure how a good amount of lower D1 schools are going to operate moving forward unless they accept that they'll likely struggle to retain their own players on a yearly basis and can no longer focus on youth and development. Their one proven path to success has basically been ripped away from them.

I'm not against NIL or the portal but it's clear that it benefits programs with stronger financial backing and has turned the "amateur" model of college sports into more of a minor league feeder system that pretends to care about "student athletes"

I will also say that in my opinion, Ohio has handled the transition better than the majority of their peers in the MAC.


How do you figure it's in crisis? Because there's a lot of change? It comes down to the dollars and the viewership. Judging by this year's NCAA Basketball tournament on the men's side, the viewing is higher than it's been over the last few years. Some of the Sweet 16 games had highest rating since 2015.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/04/01... .

On the women's side, the numbers this year throughout the tournament are nearly unprecedented, with some year-to-year numbers doubled from last year. Iowa's second round game had nearly 5 million viewers.

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id...

If you think the NCAA is going to feel like it's in crisis next year during their first-ever College Football playoff of 12 teams, think again. It will be a massive success and will bring in more money than the BCS ever did in its format.

The prediction in many circles is that the new EA Sports NCAA Football video game will be one of the highest-selling sports games this year.

Again, lots of change is happening in college sports. There isn't a firm handle on how the changes will affect the landscape of the sports. But by any metric, it's hard to say that college sports are in 'crisis'. Instead, they seem to be doing as good as ever.

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   Posted: 4/1/2024 4:48:54 PM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
FormerMember wrote:

Essentially we have college athletics in crisis and the NCAA is powerless to address the issue.

I used to be in denial about it but I'm not really sure how a good amount of lower D1 schools are going to operate moving forward unless they accept that they'll likely struggle to retain their own players on a yearly basis and can no longer focus on youth and development. Their one proven path to success has basically been ripped away from them.

I'm not against NIL or the portal but it's clear that it benefits programs with stronger financial backing and has turned the "amateur" model of college sports into more of a minor league feeder system that pretends to care about "student athletes"

I will also say that in my opinion, Ohio has handled the transition better than the majority of their peers in the MAC.


How do you figure it's in crisis? Because there's a lot of change? It comes down to the dollars and the viewership. Judging by this year's NCAA Basketball tournament on the men's side, the viewing is higher than it's been over the last few years. Some of the Sweet 16 games had highest rating since 2015.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/04/01... .

On the women's side, the numbers this year throughout the tournament are nearly unprecedented, with some year-to-year numbers doubled from last year. Iowa's second round game had nearly 5 million viewers.

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id...

If you think the NCAA is going to feel like it's in crisis next year during their first-ever College Football playoff of 12 teams, think again. It will be a massive success and will bring in more money than the BCS ever did in its format.

The prediction in many circles is that the new EA Sports NCAA Football video game will be one of the highest-selling sports games this year.

Again, lots of change is happening in college sports. There isn't a firm handle on how the changes will affect the landscape of the sports. But by any metric, it's hard to say that college sports are in 'crisis'. Instead, they seem to be doing as good as ever.



Crisis might've been too strong of a word choice but I believe you're looking at things from a narrow perspective in my opinion.

I'm addressing the NCAA model from top to bottom. Obviously things are great for P5 programs and that'll always be the case for them. TV money, ratings and video game sales are based on what they bring to the table. I think it's clear that college athletics are still very popular.

That said, we're a message board that supports a mid-major program. The majority of the schools beneath us aren't sure of what the future holds for them. When you have 150+ institutions with uncertain futures, that's something to be concerned about.

When you have a lot of moving parts and zero leadership, it creates a chaotic environment with very little precedent for how to properly proceed. Neither the NCAA or the courts are making anything easy on D1 programs right now. Many mid-major schools are unsure how to navigate the current landscape. Yes, things could calm down eventually and it's entirely possible I'm overstating things based on the schools I interact with.

I have close contacts with people working in the MAC, MAAC and Horizon League and there's a lot of moving parts right now. Won't say crisis but it's definitely not ideal either.



**I edited out crisis to make previous post work better**

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   Posted: 4/2/2024 10:54:57 AM 
FormerMember wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.




I have no issue with the portal. Maybe some modest changes in when it opens/closes but beyond that it's fine. As long as coaches can jump from job to job the players should be able to jump from school to school. As for NIL it's probably not perfect but what did the NCAA think was going to happen when they were swimming in billions of dollars and the players were getting none of that?



The recent NCAA legislation that got shot down allowed players to transfer a 2nd time without sitting out in special circumstances including mental health and medical related issues or in cases which their head coach left their school.

That was probably the most fair compromise the NCAA has made and it still got shot down in court.

College sports rely on continuity. That's just not possible in this current culture and mid-majors are getting impacted the most. Fan support in terms of D1 attendance has been declining over the past few decades as it is. How much longer will supporters of smaller programs continue to care if the recent trends keep up.

This is from a recent Sports Illustrated article from two weeks ago:

"In terms of conferences, 52 players (11.1%) come from high major institutions, and the remaining 415 (88.9%) from the mid-major ranks. Of high major players, 64.5% played either benchwarmer or deep bench minutes. For well over half of those entering the portal from high major schools, there is an indication that finding a landing spot where they can see the court is of priority."



I just can't get beyond the fact that coaches can jump from job to job whenever they want but there should be any restrictions on student athletes doing the same thing. A coach will sit in a kid's living room with his parents and convince them that their son is in good hands with him then he takes a different job the next week.
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   Posted: 4/2/2024 11:32:00 AM 
FormerMember wrote:


That said, we're a message board that supports a mid-major program. The majority of the schools beneath us aren't sure of what the future holds for them. When you have 150+ institutions with uncertain futures, that's something to be concerned about.


Definitely agree that the bottom half of FBS/D1 schools are facing a huge amount of uncertainty. They were, for a very long time, basically welfare recipients from the P5. They were able to run their programs thanks to a combination of buy games, revenue shares, and the like. It was inevitable that the P5 would eventually tire of that particular arrangement.

And I think this gets to the heart of a bit of incoherence in many college sports fans right now. Often, the foundation of their arguments are that amatuerism and academics should matter. You'll often hear the view that that's what made NCAA sports great.

But the thing is, that option's available. The NIL doesn't have schools like Amherst in crisis. Any school that wants to offer a truly amateur, academics-first experience can do so. The rub is that mid-majors and smaller D1 schools want that only inasmuch as it acted as a leveler of the playing field and provided cloud cover to restrict students from transferring and restrict P5 schools from offering non-academic benefits to players. What those fans actually want most of all is to participate at the highest level of athletics. They couch it in talk of amatuerism and academics, but those concepts are only actually trotted out as a means of helping them maintain their standing at the D1 level. If the MAC announced tomorrow that it was dropping to D3 everybody would revolt.

FormerMember wrote:

When you have a lot of moving parts and zero leadership, it creates a chaotic environment with very little precedent for how to properly proceed. Neither the NCAA or the courts are making anything easy on D1 programs right now.


The NCAA operated with what was very obviously an illegal business model for decades, and everybody knew this outcome was inevitable. The lack of leadership falls squarely on the NCAA for not adapting well before things reached this point.

If you're the SEC or Big 10, what does the NCAA bring to the table at this point? A financial obligation to an extra hundred schools in football and 200 or so in basketball?




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   Posted: 4/2/2024 12:01:14 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FormerMember wrote:


That said, we're a message board that supports a mid-major program. The majority of the schools beneath us aren't sure of what the future holds for them. When you have 150+ institutions with uncertain futures, that's something to be concerned about.


Definitely agree that the bottom half of FBS/D1 schools are facing a huge amount of uncertainty. They were, for a very long time, basically welfare recipients from the P5. They were able to run their programs thanks to a combination of buy games, revenue shares, and the like. It was inevitable that the P5 would eventually tire of that particular arrangement.

And I think this gets to the heart of a bit of incoherence in many college sports fans right now. Often, the foundation of their arguments are that amatuerism and academics should matter. You'll often hear the view that that's what made NCAA sports great.

But the thing is, that option's available. The NIL doesn't have schools like Amherst in crisis. Any school that wants to offer a truly amateur, academics-first experience can do so. The rub is that mid-majors and smaller D1 schools want that only inasmuch as it acted as a leveler of the playing field and provided cloud cover to restrict students from transferring and restrict P5 schools from offering non-academic benefits to players. What those fans actually want most of all is to participate at the highest level of athletics. They couch it in talk of amatuerism and academics, but those concepts are only actually trotted out as a means of helping them maintain their standing at the D1 level. If the MAC announced tomorrow that it was dropping to D3 everybody would revolt.

FormerMember wrote:

When you have a lot of moving parts and zero leadership, it creates a chaotic environment with very little precedent for how to properly proceed. Neither the NCAA or the courts are making anything easy on D1 programs right now.


The NCAA operated with what was very obviously an illegal business model for decades, and everybody knew this outcome was inevitable. The lack of leadership falls squarely on the NCAA for not adapting well before things reached this point.

If you're the SEC or Big 10, what does the NCAA bring to the table at this point? A financial obligation to an extra hundred schools in football and 200 or so in basketball?






I think those are both well thought out points. I agree with what you're saying. The time for change should've been a long time ago. NCAA wouldn't be in this situation had they been proactive instead of reactive.

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   Posted: 4/2/2024 12:07:04 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.




I have no issue with the portal. Maybe some modest changes in when it opens/closes but beyond that it's fine. As long as coaches can jump from job to job the players should be able to jump from school to school. As for NIL it's probably not perfect but what did the NCAA think was going to happen when they were swimming in billions of dollars and the players were getting none of that?



The recent NCAA legislation that got shot down allowed players to transfer a 2nd time without sitting out in special circumstances including mental health and medical related issues or in cases which their head coach left their school.

That was probably the most fair compromise the NCAA has made and it still got shot down in court.

College sports rely on continuity. That's just not possible in this current culture and mid-majors are getting impacted the most. Fan support in terms of D1 attendance has been declining over the past few decades as it is. How much longer will supporters of smaller programs continue to care if the recent trends keep up.

This is from a recent Sports Illustrated article from two weeks ago:

"In terms of conferences, 52 players (11.1%) come from high major institutions, and the remaining 415 (88.9%) from the mid-major ranks. Of high major players, 64.5% played either benchwarmer or deep bench minutes. For well over half of those entering the portal from high major schools, there is an indication that finding a landing spot where they can see the court is of priority."



I just can't get beyond the fact that coaches can jump from job to job whenever they want but there should be any restrictions on student athletes doing the same thing. A coach will sit in a kid's living room with his parents and convince them that their son is in good hands with him then he takes a different job the next week.


I agree with the premise of what you're saying but it's important to point out that's why there were compromises recently made allowing everyone to transfer once without penalty and a 2nd time without any consequences in special circumstances before the courts stepped in.

I understand that was never going to satisfy everyone but thought it was progress.

We act like coaches are leaving every season but the overwhelming majority stay at their schools for at least a few years. The same can't be said for a large amount of athletes now. When over 20% of players are entering the portal on a yearly basis (much higher percentage at mid-majors), we're learning that players are just as disloyal as coaches in many regards which I don't blame them considering it makes sense to seek out better opportunities for yourself.
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   Posted: 4/2/2024 12:43:08 PM 
And to think I've been incoherent as a college sports fan all of these years.

My long-term goal now is to transform from being incoherent as a college sports fan to being coherent. Not unlike how Barney's cousin Virgil on The Andy Griffith Show went from being "inept" to being "ept".

I guess I'll have BLSS to thank if I ever become coherent.
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bobcatsquared wrote:
And to think I've been incoherent as a college sports fan all of these years.

My long-term goal now is to transform from being incoherent as a college sports fan to being coherent. Not unlike how Barney's cousin Virgil on The Andy Griffith Show went from being "inept" to being "ept".

I guess I'll have BLSS to thank if I ever become coherent.


I think the episode with ept/inept was Newton Monroe, aka, Don Rickles when he painted Andy's house and then the courthouse.

But the post you refer to seems to suggest people like you, and me I guess, see the importance of amateurism AND academics. Since 99% plus go on to careers other than the sport played in college academics seem like something important.
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mid70sbobcat wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
And to think I've been incoherent as a college sports fan all of these years.

My long-term goal now is to transform from being incoherent as a college sports fan to being coherent. Not unlike how Barney's cousin Virgil on The Andy Griffith Show went from being "inept" to being "ept".

I guess I'll have BLSS to thank if I ever become coherent.


I think the episode with ept/inept was Newton Monroe, aka, Don Rickles when he painted Andy's house and then the courthouse.

But the post you refer to seems to suggest people like you, and me I guess, see the importance of amateurism AND academics. Since 99% plus go on to careers other than the sport played in college academics seem like something important.



I definitely think academics should still matter. Just doesn't seem like they factor into the thought process of many D1 athletes involved in football or basketball anymore.

I was always a supporter of the amateur model in the past but it's become clear in the last decade that it was no longer sustainable. Once they loosened things with NIL and the portal, it created all of the chaos we're currently dealing with today. We'll see if thing calm down in time.
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mid70sbobcat wrote:
I think the episode with ept/inept was Newton Monroe, aka, Don Rickles when he painted Andy's house and then the courthouse.


Excellent post. You're right, it was Newton. "I'm not inept. I'm ept."
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One thing to consider is this: every kid playing wants to play at a higher level than where they are now. Any player who signed D2 thinks they could play D1. Mid major? If and when they get an opportunity, P5. Mark Sears is a perfect example.
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   Posted: 4/3/2024 8:57:57 AM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.




I have no issue with the portal. Maybe some modest changes in when it opens/closes but beyond that it's fine. As long as coaches can jump from job to job the players should be able to jump from school to school. As for NIL it's probably not perfect but what did the NCAA think was going to happen when they were swimming in billions of dollars and the players were getting none of that?



News flash, players still are not getting any of that Billions and Billions of dollars that the NCAA is getting. They are getting paid by 3rd parties while the NCAA keeps theres.
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One thing to consider is this: every kid playing wants to play at a higher level than where they are now. Any player who signed D2 thinks they could play D1. Mid major? If and when they get an opportunity, P5. Mark Sears is a perfect example.


EXACTLY
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BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.




I have no issue with the portal. Maybe some modest changes in when it opens/closes but beyond that it's fine. As long as coaches can jump from job to job the players should be able to jump from school to school. As for NIL it's probably not perfect but what did the NCAA think was going to happen when they were swimming in billions of dollars and the players were getting none of that?



News flash, players still are not getting any of that Billions and Billions of dollars that the NCAA is getting. They are getting paid by 3rd parties while the NCAA keeps theres.


Excellent point, Sir. Not sure many on here will get the depth of what you are saying or the level of irony involved.
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BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXO7Ovbaqqs

I recently went in-depth on some of the unintended consequences of NIL and the transfer portal when it comes to college basketball.

We've been lucky so far this offseason at Ohio which is encouraging after we were able to keep our roster together last year as well. We seem to be using our limited NIL funds aimed at player retention and attacking the portal. The same can't be said for the majority of mid-majors. I cover two MAAC schools in the Buffalo area. Canisius just lost every player on their roster to the portal following their coach leaving and Niagara lost over 95% of their scoring from a 16-16 team.

Neither school has a NIL collective in place. We're seeing how that's impacted UB in recent years as they've fallen off the map in the MAC and can't bring in quality recruits whether that be due to having an inexperienced head coach or lack of funds.

The NCAA needs to regulate NIL and the portal. Unfortunately, they have no power to do so due to the courts so what's the next step? It's truly a wild west right now in college sports.

Hope you check out my video and give your thoughts! (Any subscriptions appreciated!)



I don't have the answer to this issue but the NCAA regulating NIL and the portal would be the last thing I would choose to fix it.



Well you are in luck, because the 50 state legislatures control NIL in their states, and the courts have basically mandated the portal, so no chance of the NCAA establishing any rules governing either.




I have no issue with the portal. Maybe some modest changes in when it opens/closes but beyond that it's fine. As long as coaches can jump from job to job the players should be able to jump from school to school. As for NIL it's probably not perfect but what did the NCAA think was going to happen when they were swimming in billions of dollars and the players were getting none of that?



News flash, players still are not getting any of that Billions and Billions of dollars that the NCAA is getting. They are getting paid by 3rd parties while the NCAA keeps theres.


Very true but they went from getting ZERO to getting something regardless who it's coming from. That's quite an increase.
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   Posted: 4/4/2024 10:17:14 PM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
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Essentially we have college athletics in crisis and the NCAA is powerless to address the issue.

I used to be in denial about it but I'm not really sure how a good amount of lower D1 schools are going to operate moving forward unless they accept that they'll likely struggle to retain their own players on a yearly basis and can no longer focus on youth and development. Their one proven path to success has basically been ripped away from them.

I'm not against NIL or the portal but it's clear that it benefits programs with stronger financial backing and has turned the "amateur" model of college sports into more of a minor league feeder system that pretends to care about "student athletes"

I will also say that in my opinion, Ohio has handled the transition better than the majority of their peers in the MAC.


How do you figure it's in crisis? Because there's a lot of change? It comes down to the dollars and the viewership. Judging by this year's NCAA Basketball tournament on the men's side, the viewing is higher than it's been over the last few years. Some of the Sweet 16 games had highest rating since 2015.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/04/01... .

On the women's side, the numbers this year throughout the tournament are nearly unprecedented, with some year-to-year numbers doubled from last year. Iowa's second round game had nearly 5 million viewers.

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id...

If you think the NCAA is going to feel like it's in crisis next year during their first-ever College Football playoff of 12 teams, think again. It will be a massive success and will bring in more money than the BCS ever did in its format.

The prediction in many circles is that the new EA Sports NCAA Football video game will be one of the highest-selling sports games this year.

Again, lots of change is happening in college sports. There isn't a firm handle on how the changes will affect the landscape of the sports. But by any metric, it's hard to say that college sports are in 'crisis'. Instead, they seem to be doing as good as ever.



A few quotes about the current state of college athletics from high ranking university officials at a pair of P5 schools. This is regarding the proposed "Super League" idea for college football. Obviously basketball is a much broader landscape with their own unique issues as well.

“The current model for governing and managing college athletics is dead,” Syracuse chancellor Kent Syverud said.

“We are in an existential crisis,” added West Virginia president Gordon Gee told TheAthletic.com.

“I really think conferences in the NCAA are at a very significant likelihood of going bankrupt in the near future because of the lawsuits, both the ones that are going to trial soon and those that will follow,” Syverud told TheAthletic.com.

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