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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 9:34:11 AM 
Ball state fires their coach. Anyone else likely to go this year?

Was 40-63

Last Edited: 11/16/2024 9:35:41 AM by colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 9:55:14 AM 
Burns at KSU?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 10:01:56 AM 
I think when you see stories like this, it's clear KSU is just waiting until the end of the season to fire Burns.

https://bvmsports.com/2024/11/11/kalen-deboers-aide-bryan... /
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 11:54:57 AM 
Burns has gone with a youth approach, so firing him would be pointless. He's got talent; they're just young. Hopefully they beat Aron.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 1:25:09 PM 
What's the value in firing now vs waiting for November 30th?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 1:26:05 PM 
Seems pretty odd. They've been pretty competitive despite the not so great record. Makes you wonder if there is more to the story.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 3:30:21 PM 
SBH wrote:
Burns has gone with a youth approach, so firing him would be pointless. He's got talent; they're just young. Hopefully they beat Aron.


Yes, I think he is going to get another year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 4:37:42 PM 
Victory wrote:
SBH wrote:
Burns has gone with a youth approach, so firing him would be pointless. He's got talent; they're just young. Hopefully they beat Aron.


Yes, I think he is going to get another year.


Probably. They've had a ton of injuries and are running three or four deep in the depth chart at some positions.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 5:11:12 PM 
Should the Mcelwain era be ending at CMU? That program is typically a consistent winner, and he is taking it in a different direction.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 8:43:04 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Victory wrote:
SBH wrote:
Burns has gone with a youth approach, so firing him would be pointless. He's got talent; they're just young. Hopefully they beat Aron.


Yes, I think he is going to get another year.


Probably. They've had a ton of injuries and are running three or four deep in the depth chart at some positions.


He may, but you have to ask the question- are they any better in his second year than he was in his first? They’ve got something like 26 seniors and 38 transfers- what have they done this year to show they’re getting better? You would think they wouldn’t be the worse team in the FBS in his second year.
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   Posted: 11/16/2024 9:06:28 PM 
BryanHall wrote:
Should the Mcelwain era be ending at CMU? That program is typically a consistent winner, and he is taking it in a different direction.


They've been on a slide the last three years. After going 9-4 in 2021, they're 4-8, 5-7 and 3-7, with two 3-5 seasons and 1-5 in the MAC (they're 0-5 since losing Labas in the Ohio game).

According to the Detroit News, McElwain is making over a million bucks a years, apparently with a $150,000 retention bonus payable every Feb. 15. If he's fired for something other than cause, there's a buyout of between one and two million. He's also still getting a "significant" amount every year from the University of Florida. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2023/02/... /.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/16/2024 9:22:56 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
BryanHall wrote:
Should the Mcelwain era be ending at CMU? That program is typically a consistent winner, and he is taking it in a different direction.


They've been on a slide the last three years. After going 9-4 in 2021, they're 4-8, 5-7 and 3-7, with two 3-5 seasons and 1-5 in the MAC (they're 0-5 since losing Labas in the Ohio game).

According to the Detroit News, McElwain is making over a million bucks a years, apparently with a $150,000 retention bonus payable every Feb. 15. If he's fired for something other than cause, there's a buyout of between one and two million. He's also still getting a "significant" amount every year from the University of Florida. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2023/02/... /.


His post game interview a few days ago almost felt like he was starting to think that he was going to get fired.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/18/2024 10:51:45 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Seems pretty odd. They've been pretty competitive despite the not so great record. Makes you wonder if there is more to the story.


He had one winning season and that was the Covid year. I'm surprised they hung onto him this long.

For Ted's question, I guess the benefit would be to get a jump start in the search ahead of everyone else which means more time to recruit.
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   Posted: 11/18/2024 11:09:34 AM 
BryanHall wrote:
Should the Mcelwain era be ending at CMU? That program is typically a consistent winner, and he is taking it in a different direction.


Could they do better?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/18/2024 12:36:17 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Seems pretty odd. They've been pretty competitive despite the not so great record. Makes you wonder if there is more to the story.


He had one winning season and that was the Covid year. I'm surprised they hung onto him this long.

For Ted's question, I guess the benefit would be to get a jump start in the search ahead of everyone else which means more time to recruit.


To clarify, what was odd is not letting him finish out the final 2 games. I would not have called it odd in 2 weeks.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/19/2024 4:05:29 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Seems pretty odd. They've been pretty competitive despite the not so great record. Makes you wonder if there is more to the story.


He had one winning season and that was the Covid year. I'm surprised they hung onto him this long.

For Ted's question, I guess the benefit would be to get a jump start in the search ahead of everyone else which means more time to recruit.


To clarify, what was odd is not letting him finish out the final 2 games. I would not have called it odd in 2 weeks.


For the Akron followers- why is Moorhead not on the list, they’re somewhat competitive but still not out of the bottom 2 in the MAC
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/19/2024 8:22:03 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
For the Akron followers- why is Moorhead not on the list, they’re somewhat competitive but still not out of the bottom 2 in the MAC

Are you sure? Akron seems likely to beat Kent, which will put them ahead of CMU, unless CMU manages to beat WMU (CMU leads 7-0 after one quarter), or beats NIU next week.

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   Posted: 11/19/2024 8:29:09 PM 
L.C. wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
For the Akron followers- why is Moorhead not on the list, they’re somewhat competitive but still not out of the bottom 2 in the MAC

Are you sure? Akron seems likely to beat Kent, which will put them ahead of CMU, unless CMU manages to beat WMU (CMU leads 7-0 after one quarter), or beats NIU next week.


Of course, I’m talking about that when I wrote the post and even if they win and CMU. and Ball St lose, Akron is still the second worse team in the MAC by any standard I can think of.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/19/2024 8:30:23 PM 
Interesting suggestions:

https://herosports.com/fbs-mike-neu-hot-seat-candidates-b... /

Based on this list, I would go with Arbuckle. WKU spread offense plus he worked with Cam Ward.

Last Edited: 11/19/2024 8:32:11 PM by ExCat21
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   Posted: 11/20/2024 8:59:26 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Seems pretty odd. They've been pretty competitive despite the not so great record. Makes you wonder if there is more to the story.


He had one winning season and that was the Covid year. I'm surprised they hung onto him this long.

For Ted's question, I guess the benefit would be to get a jump start in the search ahead of everyone else which means more time to recruit.


To clarify, what was odd is not letting him finish out the final 2 games. I would not have called it odd in 2 weeks.


It always cracks me up when the team is such a cluster, beyond repair, an unmitigated disaster that they have to fire the coach mid-season...

then promote all of his assistants.




Sometimes it really just is the head coach who is just holding everyone down, but you get what I'm sayin.. offensive sucks out loud, coach FIRED. Offensive Coordinator... SAVE US.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/20/2024 9:13:27 AM 
I don't see any urgent reason at Ball State that demanded immediate action. They have been playing well recently, beating NIU, and battling hard against Miami and Buffalo. Their recruiting looks fine. Ah well, this gives everyone more time to plan for what to do. Ball State can start looking for a new coach, the players can start contemplating their chances in the portal, and NEU and his assistants can get a jump start on looking for a new job.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/20/2024 3:40:23 PM 
So McElwain is retiring
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  Message Not Read  RE: Neu out at Ball State
   Posted: 11/21/2024 10:26:43 AM 
Looks like their interim coach is offensive line coach Colin Johnson. Played at Ball State from 99-2002.

“This place means so much more to me than you know someone who sees it as a job opportunity. I'm ingrained in this place,” Johnson said. “I would do anything and everything for this place.”

“When I left here, the dream was to be back here as a head coach,” Johnson said. “So as you can imagine, what I'm living right now is a little bit of that dream… It’s not something I take lightly.”


This guy is gonna have them fired up.

https://www.thestarpress.com/story/sports/college/ball-st... /
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