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Topic:  Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
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  Message Not Read  Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 8:40:56 AM 
When we win the MAC Championship on Saturday, we will likely be rewarded with a trip to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit. This is the prize for the Champion of one of the 8 largest conferences in College Football? Why are we even allowing ourselves to be treated as second class citizens? This is so pathetic. The apathy of the Administrators has now lessened the quality of our degrees.

You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees at places like Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Arizona State, Florida, TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Syracuse, and other formerly garbage academic institutions. Quality Kids are flooding admissions offices at P4 schools because of the sports landscape. Rightly or wrongly, schools like Ohio are being viewed as lesser due to us willingly taking a backseat to the P4.

The sooner our Administrators get a spine and take action, the quicker the value can return to an Ohio degree. Just getting pounded down year after year while our AD's and Administrators wait for a seat at the P4 table, is not a sustainable solution.

About 5,000 of us are going to sit in Detroit on Saturday and think we are winning something when we win the MAC Championship, when all we are doing is enabling the problem further.

Someone has to act.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 9:10:22 AM 
I've heard we're likely headed to the Snoop Dog Bowl in Tucson.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 9:25:59 AM 
Get on it, Mr. Steinbrecker.

Your posts while often good for a laugh, they are always so ludicrous it's hard to know what is shtick. I'm surprised you haven't said Julie is at fault because the $ pot at the end of the day should be MILLIONS per team, otherwise we should turn it down. BREACH OF FUDIACIARY RESPONSBILITY.

The truth of the matter is you're correct - 5,000 of you will be sitting in Detroit on Saturday. If it was 50,000 of you - they would start to take notice. Until then, P5 teams with much larger fan bases and much larger travel fans will get the 'better' bowls.

There are indeed bowl tie-ins, but teams aren't beholden to those spots. A bowl committee can still select whomever they please - which is why you often see 6 win teams in a random regional bowl. Because they put asses in seats.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 10:22:35 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
This is the prize for the Champion of one of the 8 largest conferences in College Football?


There are 9 conferences. Congrats on being top 8, I guess?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 11:11:34 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
When we win the MAC Championship on Saturday, we will likely be rewarded with a trip to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit. This is the prize for the Champion of one of the 8 largest conferences in College Football? Why are we even allowing ourselves to be treated as second class citizens? This is so pathetic. The apathy of the Administrators has now lessened the quality of our degrees.

You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees at places like Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Arizona State, Florida, TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Syracuse, and other formerly garbage academic institutions. Quality Kids are flooding admissions offices at P4 schools because of the sports landscape. Rightly or wrongly, schools like Ohio are being viewed as lesser due to us willingly taking a backseat to the P4.

The sooner our Administrators get a spine and take action, the quicker the value can return to an Ohio degree. Just getting pounded down year after year while our AD's and Administrators wait for a seat at the P4 table, is not a sustainable solution.

About 5,000 of us are going to sit in Detroit on Saturday and think we are winning something when we win the MAC Championship, when all we are doing is enabling the problem further.

Someone has to act.



Well we are second class citizens. Look at any measure you want- attendance, ticket prices, budgets, TV ratings, , recruiting, etc. We’re probably lucky that we get the revenue split that we do. Why would you think that we are anything but second class? We have become the minor leagues in college football and it’s not likely to get better.

You may have a point about getting paid adequately for showing up to get beat up, but there will always be teams who will undercut your demands to be paid more-including FCS teams. Just try to get all the G-5 teams to get in lockstep and demand bigger payouts- not likely to happen.

It’s sounds like we need to figure out a way to raise millions of dollars for athletics so we become a higher ranked academic institution. Do you have some alternative methods?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 6:01:13 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
When we win the MAC Championship on Saturday, we will likely be rewarded with a trip to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit. This is the prize for the Champion of one of the 8 largest conferences in College Football? Why are we even allowing ourselves to be treated as second class citizens? This is so pathetic. The apathy of the Administrators has now lessened the quality of our degrees.

You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees at places like Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Arizona State, Florida, TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Syracuse, and other formerly garbage academic institutions. Quality Kids are flooding admissions offices at P4 schools because of the sports landscape. Rightly or wrongly, schools like Ohio are being viewed as lesser due to us willingly taking a backseat to the P4.

The sooner our Administrators get a spine and take action, the quicker the value can return to an Ohio degree. Just getting pounded down year after year while our AD's and Administrators wait for a seat at the P4 table, is not a sustainable solution.

About 5,000 of us are going to sit in Detroit on Saturday and think we are winning something when we win the MAC Championship, when all we are doing is enabling the problem further.

Someone has to act.



Well we are second class citizens. Look at any measure you want- attendance, ticket prices, budgets, TV ratings, , recruiting, etc. We’re probably lucky that we get the revenue split that we do. Why would you think that we are anything but second class? We have become the minor leagues in college football and it’s not likely to get better.

You may have a point about getting paid adequately for showing up to get beat up, but there will always be teams who will undercut your demands to be paid more-including FCS teams. Just try to get all the G-5 teams to get in lockstep and demand bigger payouts- not likely to happen.

It’s sounds like we need to figure out a way to raise millions of dollars for athletics so we become a higher ranked academic institution. Do you have some alternative methods?


Correct. And not only that, Ohio University AND the vast majority of its alumni could give a rat’s a** about football. The university really doesn’t invest in the facilities nor coaches pay, and alumni don’t care either; the interest just isn’t there. A rabid fan base Ohio has not. We on Bobcatattack are the exception to the rule.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 6:44:05 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
When we win the MAC Championship on Saturday, we will likely be rewarded with a trip to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit. This is the prize for the Champion of one of the 8 largest conferences in College Football? Why are we even allowing ourselves to be treated as second class citizens? This is so pathetic. The apathy of the Administrators has now lessened the quality of our degrees.

You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees at places like Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Arizona State, Florida, TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Syracuse, and other formerly garbage academic institutions. Quality Kids are flooding admissions offices at P4 schools because of the sports landscape. Rightly or wrongly, schools like Ohio are being viewed as lesser due to us willingly taking a backseat to the P4.

The sooner our Administrators get a spine and take action, the quicker the value can return to an Ohio degree. Just getting pounded down year after year while our AD's and Administrators wait for a seat at the P4 table, is not a sustainable solution.

About 5,000 of us are going to sit in Detroit on Saturday and think we are winning something when we win the MAC Championship, when all we are doing is enabling the problem further.

Someone has to act.



Well we are second class citizens. Look at any measure you want- attendance, ticket prices, budgets, TV ratings, , recruiting, etc. We’re probably lucky that we get the revenue split that we do. Why would you think that we are anything but second class? We have become the minor leagues in college football and it’s not likely to get better.

You may have a point about getting paid adequately for showing up to get beat up, but there will always be teams who will undercut your demands to be paid more-including FCS teams. Just try to get all the G-5 teams to get in lockstep and demand bigger payouts- not likely to happen.

It’s sounds like we need to figure out a way to raise millions of dollars for athletics so we become a higher ranked academic institution. Do you have some alternative methods?


Correct. And not only that, Ohio University AND the vast majority of its alumni could give a rat’s a** about football. The university really doesn’t invest in the facilities nor coaches pay, and alumni don’t care either; the interest just isn’t there. A rabid fan base Ohio has not. We on Bobcatattack are the exception to the rule.


And there are dozens of us! And we can't even sell tickets to the game here for less than face value.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 7:22:58 PM 
Fun fact:

In the last two years, the highest TV ratings for a Saturday MAC conference football game was ~45k concurrent viewers.

If you took the entire TV viewing audience for that game and magically transported them all to Ford Field for every MAC championship game, there would still be empty seats for 10 of the games Ford Field has hosted.

In other words, when we go up against other college football games nobody gives a sh*t. Even though we're a top 8 conference.






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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 8:56:35 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Fun fact:

In the last two years, the highest TV ratings for a Saturday MAC conference football game was ~45k concurrent viewers.

If you took the entire TV viewing audience for that game and magically transported them all to Ford Field for every MAC championship game, there would still be empty seats for 10 of the games Ford Field has hosted.

In other words, when we go up against other college football games nobody gives a sh*t. Even though we're a top 8 conference.








Missing the point as always.....honestly, I don't have time to explain it to you. If you took all the MAC alums out of the horseshoe during the Michigan game - it would be 70-75% full. It's representative. Put us on semi-equal footing as the Big 10 / SEC / Big 12 / ACC and the retention numbers of alums goes way up. We lose all of our alums/fans to schools they didn't even attend. It's pathetic.

....Or sit apathetically telling me why it's impossible and why our administrators sit by the phone waiting for Arkansas to magically dial their number for the P5 job they covet so badly, that they won't lift a responsible finger to improve the situation at the place that signs their paychecks every 2 weeks.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 9:08:18 PM 
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Missing the point as always.....honestly, I don't have time to explain it to you.


You've started 3 threads about this exact thing today. You've got plenty of time.

Everybody keeps asking you to explain your plan. We all know it's very, very smart because you definitely know how to use big words like collusion correctly.

So, enlighten us. Save Ohio University athletics we dont have to read your weirdly specific cuckold posts anymore.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 9:44:25 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:

Missing the point as always.....honestly, I don't have time to explain it to you.


You've started 3 threads about this exact thing today. You've got plenty of time.

Everybody keeps asking you to explain your plan. We all know it's very, very smart because you definitely know how to use big words like collusion correctly.

So, enlighten us. Save Ohio University athletics we dont have to read your weirdly specific cuckold posts anymore.


Don’t you love the theater of watching a man argue with his alter ego? It’s so much fun, BA ought to charge for admission and give the money to our NIL collective.

Last Edited: 12/4/2024 9:44:57 PM by OhioCatFan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 10:10:31 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:


Don’t you love the theater of watching a man argue with his alter ego? It’s so much fun, BA ought to charge for admission and give the money to our NIL collective.


Another thing you don't seem to remember in your old age: When I offered a $1,000 donation to the cause of your choice if you could provide evidence of a blatant lie you accused me of. Would have given you the chance once and for all to figure out if your incredibly stupid theory that me and Bobcat Love are the same person is true. I also invited you to New York any time you want to have a drink, back when you and rpbobcat were telling me 1 out of every 1.2 people in Midtown Manhattan get robbed or whatever.

But, of course, you didn't take me up on the charity offer. Maybe because you got caught in a lie? Or maybe you just hate giving money to charity. Who knows?

Also: how stupid would somebody have to be to create an "alter ego" and name it after themselves.

Last Edited: 12/4/2024 10:13:30 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 10:21:47 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
When we win the MAC Championship on Saturday, we will likely be rewarded with a trip to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit. This is the prize for the Champion of one of the 8 largest conferences in College Football? Why are we even allowing ourselves to be treated as second class citizens? This is so pathetic. The apathy of the Administrators has now lessened the quality of our degrees.



The new bowl name replaces the Quick Lane Bowl. Kindly tell me how many MAC champions have played in the Quick Lane Bowl. I believe the answer is zero. Your histrionic posts are at least good for a chuckle.

My Ohio degrees served me quite well BTW. Trying to correlate Bowl appearances and the prestige of said bowl to academic achievement is bizarre.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 10:44:13 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


Don’t you love the theater of watching a man argue with his alter ego? It’s so much fun, BA ought to charge for admission and give the money to our NIL collective.


Another thing you don't seem to remember in your old age: When I offered a $1,000 donation to the cause of your choice if you could provide evidence of a blatant lie you accused me of. Would have given you the chance once and for all to figure out if your incredibly stupid theory that me and Bobcat Love are the same person is true. I also invited you to New York any time you want to have a drink, back when you and rpbobcat were telling me 1 out of every 1.2 people in Midtown Manhattan get robbed or whatever.

But, of course, you didn't take me up on the charity offer. Maybe because you got caught in a lie? Or maybe you just hate giving money to charity. Who knows?

Also: how stupid would somebody have to be to create an "alter ego" and name it after themselves.



Your post may not pertain to me, but have you taken a course in Anger Management ever? Do you have a "need" to be "right"? Feelings of inadequacy at times? Just asking

And why you brought up crime in NYC is sad since the CEO of United Healthcare was assassinated there before the company Investor Conference today. He was a good guy based on my interactions.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/4/2024 10:54:44 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


Don’t you love the theater of watching a man argue with his alter ego? It’s so much fun, BA ought to charge for admission and give the money to our NIL collective.


Another thing you don't seem to remember in your old age: When I offered a $1,000 donation to the cause of your choice if you could provide evidence of a blatant lie you accused me of. Would have given you the chance once and for all to figure out if your incredibly stupid theory that me and Bobcat Love are the same person is true. I also invited you to New York any time you want to have a drink, back when you and rpbobcat were telling me 1 out of every 1.2 people in Midtown Manhattan get robbed or whatever.

But, of course, you didn't take me up on the charity offer. Maybe because you got caught in a lie? Or maybe you just hate giving money to charity. Who knows?

Also: how stupid would somebody have to be to create an "alter ego" and name it after themselves.


Okay, smartass, give me the URL where I said 1 out of every 1.2 people in Midtown Manhattan get robbed, or something even close to that, given a little hyperbole among friends is A-OK. I suppose it’s possible I gave rpbobcat a virtual pat on the back for trolling you, as I enjoyed it when he did that.

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   Posted: 12/5/2024 4:34:01 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:

Okay, smartass, give me the URL where I said 1 out of every 1.2 people in Midtown Manhattan get robbed, or something even close to that, given a little hyperbole among friends is A-OK. I suppose it’s possible I gave rpbobcat a virtual pat on the back for trolling you, as I enjoyed it when he did that.


Are you gonna take me up on the offer of a drink? I'm buying.
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   Posted: 12/5/2024 4:53:28 AM 
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Your post may not pertain to me, but have you taken a course in Anger Management ever? Do you have a "need" to be "right"? Feelings of inadequacy at times? Just asking


Yes, that's why I tried to publicly downplay my stance on firing Tim Albin two years after the fact. I "need" to be "right".

And when called on it, with links, I moved the conversation into another thread to avoid it.

mid70sbobcat wrote:

And why you brought up crime in NYC is sad since the CEO of United Healthcare was assassinated there before the company Investor Conference today. He was a good guy based on my interactions.


I also think murder is bad. Look at us, finding common ground.

OCF and I had a debate about Florida's "Don't say gay" law however many years ago. I won't rehash the details here or engage in another conversation about the specifics now that the mods have been very clear about the policy there. And I'm going to avoid talking about NYC crime for the same reason.

But 10 months after that conversation, OCF re-raused it, out of the blue, with a blatantly dishonest representation of what I said. You know, because of my need to be right. He also accused me of "making up my resume on BA" (he really, really seems to think I'm Bobcat Love and keeps doubling down on it). The posts are all still there, and I provided links and quotes at the time.

So now I f*ck with OCF by making sure his intellectual dishonesty is called out whenever I notice it. Need to be right? Feelings of inadequacy? Maybe. Also, a lot of fun.

Last Edited: 12/5/2024 5:24:25 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 12/5/2024 11:10:25 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:

Okay, smartass, give me the URL where I said 1 out of every 1.2 people in Midtown Manhattan get robbed, or something even close to that, given a little hyperbole among friends is A-OK. I suppose it’s possible I gave rpbobcat a virtual pat on the back for trolling you, as I enjoyed it when he did that.


Are you gonna take me up on the offer of a drink? I'm buying.


Are you coming to Detroit?

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   Posted: 12/5/2024 2:52:41 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
... If you took all the MAC alums out of the horseshoe during the Michigan game - it would be 70-75% full. It's representative. Put us on semi-equal footing as the Big 10 / SEC / Big 12 / ACC and the retention numbers of alums goes way up. We lose all of our alums/fans to schools they didn't even attend. It's pathetic.
...

Is the problem what the MAC needs more money before it has more fan support, or is it that the MAC needs more fan support before it has more money?

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   Posted: 12/5/2024 8:52:23 PM 
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You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees...



If that is true, then Harvard is (according to Sagarin) the 141st best university in the United States, one spot ahead of Yale.

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   Posted: 12/5/2024 11:19:31 PM 
CatFud wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:


You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees...



If that is true, then Harvard is (according to Sagarin) the 141st best university in the United States, one spot ahead of Yale.


You have higher quality prospective students applying to P4 universities because the profiles have been raised by high level athletics. Ohio, WMU, Kent, Toledo, Bowling Green - we are gum on their shoe. It's become an embarassment.
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   Posted: 12/6/2024 12:06:06 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
CatFud wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:


You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees...



If that is true, then Harvard is (according to Sagarin) the 141st best university in the United States, one spot ahead of Yale.


You have higher quality prospective students applying to P4 universities because the profiles have been raised by high level athletics. Ohio, WMU, Kent, Toledo, Bowling Green - we are gum on their shoe. It's become an embarassment.


I guess that's why enrollment at Ohio is where it is.

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   Posted: 12/6/2024 6:49:08 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
CatFud wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:


You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees...



If that is true, then Harvard is (according to Sagarin) the 141st best university in the United States, one spot ahead of Yale.


You have higher quality prospective students applying to P4 universities because the profiles have been raised by high level athletics. Ohio, WMU, Kent, Toledo, Bowling Green - we are gum on their shoe. It's become an embarassment.

More importantly, as I have pointed out for the last 20 years, the strongest growth in endowments has primarily occurred in two groups: the ultra-elite universities (e.g. Harvard, Yale, U. Chicago, Cal Tech), and the P4. The P4 has been using those contributions to fund new buildings and other advances.

That doesn't change the question, however. What share of the overall college football revenue is the G5 "entitled" to, and why? In fact, the above actually brings up two additional questions:
1. Given that the flow of money to the general funds of Universities is far more significant to their long term health than the money spent directly on athletics, would getting a few extra dollars from football actually change anything?
2. Would Ohio be better served in the long term by trying to become more of an ultra-elite university, to truly become the "Harvard on the Hocking"?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/6/2024 9:37:12 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
When we win the MAC Championship on Saturday, we will likely be rewarded with a trip to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit. This is the prize for the Champion of one of the 8 largest conferences in College Football? Why are we even allowing ourselves to be treated as second class citizens? This is so pathetic. The apathy of the Administrators has now lessened the quality of our degrees.

You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees at places like Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Arizona State, Florida, TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Syracuse, and other formerly garbage academic institutions. Quality Kids are flooding admissions offices at P4 schools because of the sports landscape. Rightly or wrongly, schools like Ohio are being viewed as lesser due to us willingly taking a backseat to the P4.

The sooner our Administrators get a spine and take action, the quicker the value can return to an Ohio degree. Just getting pounded down year after year while our AD's and Administrators wait for a seat at the P4 table, is not a sustainable solution.

About 5,000 of us are going to sit in Detroit on Saturday and think we are winning something when we win the MAC Championship, when all we are doing is enabling the problem further.

Someone has to act.



Do you suggest we boycott any Bowl that is below our prestige level?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Win the MAC.....go to something called the "Game Above Sports Bowl" in Detroit....What are we even doing?
   Posted: 12/6/2024 9:48:01 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
CatFud wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:


You can say what you want, but the shaping of college sports has now increased the enrollment demands and prestige of degrees...



If that is true, then Harvard is (according to Sagarin) the 141st best university in the United States, one spot ahead of Yale.


You have higher quality prospective students applying to P4 universities because the profiles have been raised by high level athletics. Ohio, WMU, Kent, Toledo, Bowling Green - we are gum on their shoe. It's become an embarassment.


I guess that's why enrollment at Ohio is where it is.



Growing at a rate faster than its peers?
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