Welcome Guest! Create an Account login email: password: remember me: BASKETBALLFOOTBALLMESSAGE BOARDCHATLINKS site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp Message Board BobcatAttack.com Message Board Ohio Football Topic:  NIU appears gone . . . Topic:  NIU appears gone . . . Author Message OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,313 Status: Offline     NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 5:10:45 PM  If this report is true, I say good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. https://tinyurl.com/3esfzrwb The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,090 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 5:36:30 PM  What a terrible conference (MAC) and Commissioner (Steinbrecher). NIU is one I would want to retain. You are a moron if you think this is good for the league. What is the process to recall or fire this clown? When that complete Ass-Hat Gloria Nevarez takes a point on you, you better look in the mirror. We need to fire Steinbrecher immediately and put someone in who has a modicum of strategic vision - and it’s not that lackey Jeremy Guy. What a grease fire. Terrible. Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,635 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 5:45:09 PM  It's not great. But, future endeavors and so forth. Is there some sort of extra you'd offer them not to go? Like Boise got from the MWC or Texas extracted from the Big 12? Because that don't work. Good on the MAC for not bending over to make them part-timers and being positioned not to lose the game in Detroit. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,152 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 5:47:14 PM  "Per Brown, the rest of NIU's sports are also expected to leave the Mid-American Conference for a mid-major league such as the Summit, Ohio Valley and Horizon." At least they're not begging to cling on to the remaining sports I guess? Christ, this is so stupid. What is this league even doing? Yay, we traded NIU for UMass! Pop the champagne! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,313 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 5:56:18 PM  GoCats105 wrote: . . . Yay, we traded NIU for UMass! Pop the champagne! I think this will turn out to be a good trade. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,090 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 6:00:30 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: . . . Yay, we traded NIU for UMass! Pop the champagne! I think this will turn out to be a good trade. Everything I am saying has been proven correct so far. Why are we not combining with Miami on exploring strategic alternatives?? Frankly, the two schools should be demanding a higher % of conference revenues at this point, driving the discussions, or running for safe haven. Are we doing anything at all or just letting Steinbrecher preach to us about Sportmanship? The house is burning, we need to GTFO immediately. The time is now for ACTION. When it comes to G5 realignment -> If you aren’t first, you are fucked. Sorry for the coarse language but it’s 100% true. Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,090 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 6:17:12 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: . . . Yay, we traded NIU for UMass! Pop the champagne! I think this will turn out to be a good trade. This is all I need right to hear. We need to move NOW. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,152 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 6:20:22 PM  Air Force, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, San Jose State, UNLV, UTEP, and Wyoming. That's who they left the MAC for. WHAT A LINEUP. You could make the argument that NIU has the most football pedigree out of any of those programs. Maybe that's what they wanted. Tired of being in Toledo's shadow. Or just tired of the MAC's BS. Last Edited: 12/16/2024 6:20:52 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,090 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 6:22:23 PM  Most of those cities are FAR better metro media markets then the trash we covet…. Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,090 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 6:27:01 PM  Conveniently leaving out Boise….in the playoff and one of the fastest growing cities. But keep telling yourselves Gonzalez and Cromer and Steinbrecher have their hands on the wheel. Back to Top JimLurker34 General User Member Since: 12/7/2023 Location: McArthur, OH Post Count: 229 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 7:04:41 PM  From a basketball perspective UMass for NIU is a definite upgrade. On the football side, right now, it's a downgrade. Keep in mind that UMass is promising a real upgrade in their football budget, and they have the money to do it. I would suspect right now they have more NIL money available than any other MAC school. Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,308 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 7:16:32 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: . . . Yay, we traded NIU for UMass! Pop the champagne! I think this will turn out to be a good trade. Which would still leave the MAC one short of an even dozen? Time to bring WKU in. And the Corvette museum is in that town. And that would mean two Bowling Greens in the MAC. Fun confusion. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,082 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 7:45:04 PM  On the surface the NIU/UMass trade off sounds alright. Delete the worst basketball school in the MAC and add one which is reguarly going to be in the upper half of the confernce. The MAC can roll with 12 without having to need additional members. But the problem is where can the MAC go for new members because without NIU and a Chicago presence nobody else is going to want to join it. Illinois St isn't going to want to do it with NIU or the Dakota schools. Horizon League schools wouldn't be motivated to join the MAC now they have NIU. The MAC long ago made a decision to only admit FBS members while the AAC, MWC and PAC-12 have added basketball schools where it benefited the conference. This is much worse for the conference than if Buffalo had left in terms of strategic importance. At this point the MAC is not going to pick up the pieces if the AAC implodes. The might try to add some MAC schools. If they added Buffalo and UMass that would take the MAC down to 10 and almost exclusively in Ohio/MI. You won't have CUSA schools wanting to be a part of that and what is left then of the TV deal? At this point we have to take a ticket out if presented. The SBC could be an option since Marshall is in that conference and Ohio fits the SBC profile as a college town with good fan support. Marshall could be a natural travel partner in our case. CUSA is probably going to lose Western Ky and Middle Tenn making the geography unattractive there. SBC is the strongest football conference out of the G5 and might lose programs to the AAC which is unstable. I don't know of anything better to aim for but something better could of course always materialize. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top El Gato Roberto General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Buffalo Grove, IL Post Count: 1,198 Status: Online     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 8:17:29 PM  greencat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: . . . Yay, we traded NIU for UMass! Pop the champagne! I think this will turn out to be a good trade. Which would still leave the MAC one short of an even dozen? Time to bring WKU in. And the Corvette museum is in that town. And that would mean two Bowling Greens in the MAC. Fun confusion. …not to mention that adding WKU would mean two “Stand Up and Cheers” "The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you." Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,152 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 9:35:50 PM  Bobcat Love wrote: Conveniently leaving out Boise….in the playoff and one of the fastest growing cities. But keep telling yourselves Gonzalez and Cromer and Steinbrecher have their hands on the wheel. You mean conveniently leaving out the school that will no longer be in that conference? Yeah, I totally left them out on purpose. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,152 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 9:41:43 PM  TWT wrote: On the surface the NIU/UMass trade off sounds alright. Delete the worst basketball school in the MAC and add one which is reguarly going to be in the upper half of the confernce. The MAC can roll with 12 without having to need additional members. But the problem is where can the MAC go for new members because without NIU and a Chicago presence nobody else is going to want to join it. Illinois St isn't going to want to do it with NIU or the Dakota schools. Horizon League schools wouldn't be motivated to join the MAC now they have NIU. The MAC long ago made a decision to only admit FBS members while the AAC, MWC and PAC-12 have added basketball schools where it benefited the conference. This is much worse for the conference than if Buffalo had left in terms of strategic importance. At this point the MAC is not going to pick up the pieces if the AAC implodes. The might try to add some MAC schools. If they added Buffalo and UMass that would take the MAC down to 10 and almost exclusively in Ohio/MI. You won't have CUSA schools wanting to be a part of that and what is left then of the TV deal? At this point we have to take a ticket out if presented. The SBC could be an option since Marshall is in that conference and Ohio fits the SBC profile as a college town with good fan support. Marshall could be a natural travel partner in our case. CUSA is probably going to lose Western Ky and Middle Tenn making the geography unattractive there. SBC is the strongest football conference out of the G5 and might lose programs to the AAC which is unstable. I don't know of anything better to aim for but something better could of course always materialize. They almost have no choice but to look East now. Can you pry Temple from the AAC? Doubtful. Maybe throw a bone at Delaware and pitch the UMass connection as being a better travel partner and not having to go all the way to Texas for games in CUSA? Does Holy Cross want to move up? It's slim pickings over that way unless the MAC gets really aggressive, which they have proven they aren't. I can't see MTSU suddenly changing their mind to help with the WKU thing, and WKU isn't about to let little brother EKU in with them. Marshall ain't leaving the Sun Belt - they're too like-minded and fit better there anyway. I think the MAC really needs to take a hard look in the mirror and figure out what they want to be. Because whatever they're doing now ain't working. Last Edited: 12/16/2024 9:52:21 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,082 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 10:09:16 PM  GoCats105 wrote: TWT wrote: On the surface the NIU/UMass trade off sounds alright. Delete the worst basketball school in the MAC and add one which is reguarly going to be in the upper half of the confernce. The MAC can roll with 12 without having to need additional members. But the problem is where can the MAC go for new members because without NIU and a Chicago presence nobody else is going to want to join it. Illinois St isn't going to want to do it with NIU or the Dakota schools. Horizon League schools wouldn't be motivated to join the MAC now they have NIU. The MAC long ago made a decision to only admit FBS members while the AAC, MWC and PAC-12 have added basketball schools where it benefited the conference. This is much worse for the conference than if Buffalo had left in terms of strategic importance. At this point the MAC is not going to pick up the pieces if the AAC implodes. The might try to add some MAC schools. If they added Buffalo and UMass that would take the MAC down to 10 and almost exclusively in Ohio/MI. You won't have CUSA schools wanting to be a part of that and what is left then of the TV deal? At this point we have to take a ticket out if presented. The SBC could be an option since Marshall is in that conference and Ohio fits the SBC profile as a college town with good fan support. Marshall could be a natural travel partner in our case. CUSA is probably going to lose Western Ky and Middle Tenn making the geography unattractive there. SBC is the strongest football conference out of the G5 and might lose programs to the AAC which is unstable. I don't know of anything better to aim for but something better could of course always materialize. They almost have no choice but to look East now. Can you pry Temple from the AAC? Doubtful. Maybe throw a bone at Delaware and pitch the UMass connection as being a better travel partner and not having to go all the way to Texas for games in CUSA? Does Holy Cross want to move up? It's slim pickings over that way unless the MAC gets really aggressive, which they have proven they aren't. I can't see MTSU suddenly changing their mind to help with the WKU thing, and WKU isn't about to let little brother EKU in with them. Marshall ain't leaving the Sun Belt - they're too like-minded and fit better there anyway. I think the MAC really needs to take a hard look in the mirror and figure out what they want to be. Because whatever they're doing now ain't working. The MAC is not going to do anything now because they have 12. They are going to lose two more at some point and then it will be too late to find anyone to join it which is my fear. If the MAC could have grabbed WKU when it had the chance, kept NIU it would of had a shot to stay in the game as a regional conference with other like Delaware and Temple falling into line. UMass helped in this regard but the MAC did not pick up Delaware when it could. The attitude by MAC leadership has been its indefensible from G5 realignment and that nobody would ever leave it. Hence not much in the way of exit fees but that could change and make it as painful to get out of as the MWC. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,090 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/16/2024 10:25:25 PM  GoCats105 wrote: TWT wrote: On the surface the NIU/UMass trade off sounds alright. Delete the worst basketball school in the MAC and add one which is reguarly going to be in the upper half of the confernce. The MAC can roll with 12 without having to need additional members. But the problem is where can the MAC go for new members because without NIU and a Chicago presence nobody else is going to want to join it. Illinois St isn't going to want to do it with NIU or the Dakota schools. Horizon League schools wouldn't be motivated to join the MAC now they have NIU. The MAC long ago made a decision to only admit FBS members while the AAC, MWC and PAC-12 have added basketball schools where it benefited the conference. This is much worse for the conference than if Buffalo had left in terms of strategic importance. At this point the MAC is not going to pick up the pieces if the AAC implodes. The might try to add some MAC schools. If they added Buffalo and UMass that would take the MAC down to 10 and almost exclusively in Ohio/MI. You won't have CUSA schools wanting to be a part of that and what is left then of the TV deal? At this point we have to take a ticket out if presented. The SBC could be an option since Marshall is in that conference and Ohio fits the SBC profile as a college town with good fan support. Marshall could be a natural travel partner in our case. CUSA is probably going to lose Western Ky and Middle Tenn making the geography unattractive there. SBC is the strongest football conference out of the G5 and might lose programs to the AAC which is unstable. I don't know of anything better to aim for but something better could of course always materialize. They almost have no choice but to look East now. Can you pry Temple from the AAC? Doubtful. Maybe throw a bone at Delaware and pitch the UMass connection as being a better travel partner and not having to go all the way to Texas for games in CUSA? Does Holy Cross want to move up? It's slim pickings over that way unless the MAC gets really aggressive, which they have proven they aren't. I can't see MTSU suddenly changing their mind to help with the WKU thing, and WKU isn't about to let little brother EKU in with them. Marshall ain't leaving the Sun Belt - they're too like-minded and fit better there anyway. I think the MAC really needs to take a hard look in the mirror and figure out what they want to be. Because whatever they're doing now ain't working. I don’t want Miami and us to stick around while the MAC does their soul searching. Hard pass. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,039 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/17/2024 7:40:48 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: GoCats105 wrote: TWT wrote: On the surface the NIU/UMass trade off sounds alright. Delete the worst basketball school in the MAC and add one which is reguarly going to be in the upper half of the confernce. The MAC can roll with 12 without having to need additional members. But the problem is where can the MAC go for new members because without NIU and a Chicago presence nobody else is going to want to join it. Illinois St isn't going to want to do it with NIU or the Dakota schools. Horizon League schools wouldn't be motivated to join the MAC now they have NIU. The MAC long ago made a decision to only admit FBS members while the AAC, MWC and PAC-12 have added basketball schools where it benefited the conference. This is much worse for the conference than if Buffalo had left in terms of strategic importance. At this point the MAC is not going to pick up the pieces if the AAC implodes. The might try to add some MAC schools. If they added Buffalo and UMass that would take the MAC down to 10 and almost exclusively in Ohio/MI. You won't have CUSA schools wanting to be a part of that and what is left then of the TV deal? At this point we have to take a ticket out if presented. The SBC could be an option since Marshall is in that conference and Ohio fits the SBC profile as a college town with good fan support. Marshall could be a natural travel partner in our case. CUSA is probably going to lose Western Ky and Middle Tenn making the geography unattractive there. SBC is the strongest football conference out of the G5 and might lose programs to the AAC which is unstable. I don't know of anything better to aim for but something better could of course always materialize. They almost have no choice but to look East now. Can you pry Temple from the AAC? Doubtful. Maybe throw a bone at Delaware and pitch the UMass connection as being a better travel partner and not having to go all the way to Texas for games in CUSA? Does Holy Cross want to move up? It's slim pickings over that way unless the MAC gets really aggressive, which they have proven they aren't. I can't see MTSU suddenly changing their mind to help with the WKU thing, and WKU isn't about to let little brother EKU in with them. Marshall ain't leaving the Sun Belt - they're too like-minded and fit better there anyway. I think the MAC really needs to take a hard look in the mirror and figure out what they want to be. Because whatever they're doing now ain't working. I don’t want Miami and us to stick around while the MAC does their soul searching. Hard pass. Agree that Miami, Toledo and Ohio need to act together. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,957 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/17/2024 8:17:50 AM  Is it confirmed that this means NIU is out of the MAC for all sports? I wouldn't put it past the MAC to allow them to stay in all but football at the 1th hour. I don't understand the scramble to find a replacement, it truly is a 1 for 1 with Umass to keep it at 12. I say meh. I wish it was WKU instead of Umass, but it wasn't in the cards. I just hope we stay at 12...I hate these big conferences with their imbalanced schedules. I'm open to looking at other options but if it is some big ass geographical disaster no thanks. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,433 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/17/2024 9:48:29 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: . . . Yay, we traded NIU for UMass! Pop the champagne! I think this will turn out to be a good trade. This is all I need right to hear. We need to move NOW. YEAH. The BIG10 should PAY US NOW. Usual nonsense aside, NIU for UMASS was a good trade. They're great for basketball. They have been bad at football for a while, but NIU is also one of those programs that is good for a year or two, then garbage, then decent, then good again, then trash. Then okay again. I'd be upset if we lost Toledo, but I will shed no tears losing the worst basketball team in the conference and a team that just went 4-4 in the MAC. They were 7-6 last season. 3-9 in 2022. I mean we're hardly losing a consistent giant here. Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 659 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/17/2024 9:50:48 AM  I agree that Ohio, Miami and Toledo need to be proactive on determining their future. I also agree with Bobcat Love and I feel that the MAC is stagnate at best. Back to Top FormerMember General User Member Since: 1/7/2022 Post Count: 242 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/17/2024 9:52:28 AM  Talk about some overreactions on this thread... The MAC is near the bottom of the G5 but is stable because most of the schools are content with their situations and have fair budgets due to their geographic proximities to each other. Toledo had an opportunity to join NIU and jump ship to the Mountain West but didn't even seriously entertain the idea. UB hasn't received any interest in other G5 conferences despite the thought they'd be an intriguing addition over the past decade. Even at 10 schools, the MAC could survive. If it got to that point, I could see them offering FCS schools to get back to 12. NIU is a good football program but doesn't offer a ton in terms of fan support, revenue, academics and other important metrics. We can complain about losing them but UMass will be fine. The MAC lost one school on the outskirts and replaced them with another. I'd love to see the league be more proactive and look to add additional schools but don't think that's likely at the moment but who knows... Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,433 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/17/2024 12:37:01 PM  ou79 wrote: I agree that Ohio, Miami and Toledo need to be proactive on determining their future. I also agree with Bobcat Love and I feel that the MAC is stagnate at best. The MAC is quite literally the only stable conference. And as far as "stagnate" goes, they just added UMASS. So they've lost ONE team, amongst this vast sea of changes... what are you two even yappin about? Should they link up with the ACC? What are our options? SEC incoming? BobcatLove and his 9 different accounts all say the stay stupid shit daily, and never have any intelligent thoughts or plans behind them. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,152 Status: Offline     RE: NIU appears gone . . .    Posted: 12/17/2024 12:55:44 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: ou79 wrote: I agree that Ohio, Miami and Toledo need to be proactive on determining their future. I also agree with Bobcat Love and I feel that the MAC is stagnate at best. The MAC is quite literally the only stable conference. The problem with that stability is that eventually it's gonna catch up to them - go ask the PAC 12 about just sticking to your guns instead of being more aggressive in the realignment world. The MAC product is stale in both football and basketball, you can't argue that. Maybe NIU is the only defector, maybe not. We do know that both Buffalo and Toledo have explored other options. Why shouldn't Ohio and Miami do the same just to see what's out there? Unless the MAC has some grand plan to get more money out of ESPN/CBS when they go to renegotiate in 2026-27, then it's going to be the same stuff next time around. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 38 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 157 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 155 Guests 2 Registered Users:   Deciduous Forest Cat, El Gato Roberto There are no other users looking at this page.

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