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  Message Not Read  Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 10/31/2023 5:47:26 PM 

I knew a MAC team would pay for Michigan's cheating. 

CMU investigating Michigan's Connor Stalions' potential sideline presence - ESPN

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 10/31/2023 5:53:42 PM 
Maybe he was trying out a Halloween costume.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 10/31/2023 6:40:52 PM 
If CMU's coaching staff allowed a coach from another school onto their sidelines to steal signals of an opponent, that seems pretty bad to me.

It's, you know, cheating.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 10/31/2023 7:10:38 PM 
And your next coach of the Los Angeles Chargers, Jim Harbaugh!

This story gets funnier and funnier by the minute.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 10/31/2023 9:01:47 PM 
Somebodies sh** detector seems to have malfunctioned.

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   Posted: 10/31/2023 9:11:50 PM 
Probably a case of mistaken identity:

https://tinyurl.com/ynrm7adm

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 10/31/2023 10:25:42 PM 
The sunglasses at a night game and footage of him blocking his face as plays came near him? Seems pretty telling to me.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/1/2023 9:38:35 AM 
My first thought was how much did Michigan pay the coaching staff at CMU?

You simply cannot convince me that this guy was able to essentially prance up and down the sidelines the first week of the season unnoticed.

The sunglasses appeared to have a lens from what is floating around on twitter.

He literally looks like he's wearing a disguise.

This stinks to high heavens and I had my doubts on the entire scandal when it first surfaced. Now I'm thinking its 10x worse.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/1/2023 11:36:54 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Probably a case of mistaken identity:

https://tinyurl.com/ynrm7adm


Well, I looked at these photos myself and I'm not so sure it was mistaken identity. There is something *very* weird about this whole alleged scandal.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/1/2023 12:03:30 PM 
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.

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   Posted: 11/1/2023 1:19:04 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


Then it shouldn't matter if everyone knows we are going to run it up the middle huh? When it's OHIO calling plays you marvel at how everyone knows whats coming and how bad it is. But when defending Michigan, it doesn't matter, because you still have to stop it,. Interesting
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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/1/2023 2:24:54 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


One solution would be to do like the pros and lets QB's and the defensive the captain have a "speaker" in their helmet.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/1/2023 2:47:27 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


OK great but there are NCAA rules against in-person scouting, and rules against recording signals. And definitely rules against giving coaching credentials to a coach from an entirely different university.

What impact it had on their success is fairly irrelevant. To me these are pretty bold repeated deliberate NCAA violations.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/1/2023 2:47:31 PM 
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Then it shouldn't matter if everyone knows we are going to run it up the middle huh? When it's OHIO calling plays you marvel at how everyone knows whats coming and how bad it is. But when defending Michigan, it doesn't matter, because you still have to stop it,. Interesting


I mean... Wait. What?


Delete this before anyone else sees it.

This doesn't even begin to make sense.

Go outside. Touch some grass. Come back in a few minutes with a rational thought.

Teams ARE stopping our run up the middle and we're still doing it constantly... so... we should... adjust...? I'm not mad at the teams stopping us...? HUH? I'm mad at our staff for constantly doing it...?

Good Lord. Are you okay?
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   Posted: 11/1/2023 2:57:10 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


One solution would be to do like the pros and lets QB's and the defensive the captain have a "speaker" in their helmet.





Grambling and Southern used it in a game last year. Both teams said it was hugely successful.

Apparently, there were talks happening in the SEC, but they couldn't guarantee helmet safety and modifying helmets would void safety warranties and open up lawsuits down the line. There's no collective bargaining agreement or players union in college.

Also, from this article from 2022 and very timely now...

"Another concern among some SEC coaches wasn’t expressed publicly but has been suspected privately: Headsets would eliminate the ability to steal signals. The concept of stealing signals is an open secret in coaching, and some programs have elaborate operations. In a sport in which most rule changes benefit the offense, this could put the sides on the same level of an issue.

Told of that suspicion, David Shaw said it was comforting to hear someone admit that stealing signals exists. Bielema brought it up as well.

“There are certain places that put a premium on stealing signals, and that gets some people known as great play callers, but you can be a great play caller if you know what the other team is doing,” Shaw said. “For me, this is one of those balancing things. You might not be able to get all the information you want, now you have to call the game with some doubt and trust in your preparation and your players.”
https://theathletic.com/3194428/2022/03/21/why-doesnt-col... /

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/1/2023 3:05:11 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


Presumably Michigan didn't know the signals before they sent a guy to go specifically focus on stealing the signals.

So I'm not sure "this information was viewable by millions" is a super compelling defense. Michigan did this, no? What's that tell you about what it takes to figure out the signals, and the benefit it offers?
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   Posted: 11/1/2023 7:59:36 PM 

 

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/2/2023 9:36:30 PM 
Mich-ugana.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Stalions was dressed as a CMU coach when they played at MSU
   Posted: 11/2/2023 10:19:52 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Mich-ugana.


Did you mean Mich-uganda? [A reference to corruption in that country]

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   Posted: 11/3/2023 10:23:09 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


Are you saying this guy is not the guy from Michigan's staff on the CMU sideline? Because if it is, I don't think they'd go to this much trouble and risk to put him there if the signals are easily viewable without doing so and are not considered highly valuable to Michigan.
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   Posted: 11/3/2023 10:37:10 AM 
OakStreet wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


Are you saying this guy is not the guy from Michigan's staff on the CMU sideline? Because if it is, I don't think they'd go to this much trouble and risk to put him there if the signals are easily viewable without doing so and are not considered highly valuable to Michigan.


Look at Michigan's record since they hired this guy and the "scouting" began.
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   Posted: 11/3/2023 1:12:27 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
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M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


Are you saying this guy is not the guy from Michigan's staff on the CMU sideline? Because if it is, I don't think they'd go to this much trouble and risk to put him there if the signals are easily viewable without doing so and are not considered highly valuable to Michigan.


Look at Michigan's record since they hired this guy and the "scouting" began.


To put the seriousness of the allegations into perspective, Thamel writes: “In the three years that Stalions [allegedly] left a paper trail of purchasing tickets to games of Michigan opponents, the Wolverines have gone 33-3 overall and 22-1 in Big Ten play. In the prior three years, they were 21-11 overall and 16-8 in league play.”

"Coaches used words like "tainted," "fraudulent" and "unprecedented" to describe the alleged scheme during the call, according to Thamel’s report, which says there was “anger interspersed throughout the call.”

"People don't understand the seriousness of it,” one source in the ESPN report said. "How it truly impacted the game plan. To truly know if it's a run or a pass, people don't understand how much of an advantage that was for Michigan."

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   Posted: 11/3/2023 1:31:12 PM 
OakStreet wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OakStreet wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
He figured out your publicly viewable by millions poster board sign of two bears doing back flips meant run? Okay.... then be better at disguising your plays...? He knows your audible - publicly viewable by millions - of scratching your left ear and wiggling your right butt cheek means pass? Awesome. He needs a raise then. You still have to stop the play. You still have to stuff the run. Defend the pass. There are levels. Check downs. Route trees. Why am I defending Michigan? I hate it here.


Are you saying this guy is not the guy from Michigan's staff on the CMU sideline? Because if it is, I don't think they'd go to this much trouble and risk to put him there if the signals are easily viewable without doing so and are not considered highly valuable to Michigan.


Look at Michigan's record since they hired this guy and the "scouting" began.


To put the seriousness of the allegations into perspective, Thamel writes: “In the three years that Stalions [allegedly] left a paper trail of purchasing tickets to games of Michigan opponents, the Wolverines have gone 33-3 overall and 22-1 in Big Ten play. In the prior three years, they were 21-11 overall and 16-8 in league play.”

"Coaches used words like "tainted," "fraudulent" and "unprecedented" to describe the alleged scheme during the call, according to Thamel’s report, which says there was “anger interspersed throughout the call.”

"People don't understand the seriousness of it,” one source in the ESPN report said. "How it truly impacted the game plan. To truly know if it's a run or a pass, people don't understand how much of an advantage that was for Michigan."

https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/university-of-...


Yep, and interesting that the one loss was an opponent they did not have the opportunity to really advance scout to steal the signs. like I tried to point out earlier, their are people here saying this doesn't matter because you still have to stop it. But then complain about our play calling because the defense knows what we are doing. It don't work both ways, saying it doesnt matter here, but it does there. Makes me shake my head.

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   Posted: 11/3/2023 2:47:43 PM 
How many spitballs have been thrown in MLB since they were outlawed that the umpire didn't notice? Some rather famous pitchers have been accused of throwing the spitter. In fact, there have been autobiographies where a player has admitted that the spitter was his go-to pitch in clutch situations. Of course, this was only revealed after the player had retired. So, my question is, in what way is the Michigan sign stealing, assuming the allegations are true, worse than throwing an illegal spitter?

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   Posted: 11/3/2023 2:58:15 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
How many spitballs have been thrown in MLB since they were outlawed that the umpire didn't notice? Some rather famous pitchers have been accused of throwing the spitter. In fact, there have been autobiographies where a player has admitted that the spitter was his go-to pitch in clutch situations. Of course, this was only revealed after the player had retired. So, my question is, in what way is the Michigan sign stealing, assuming the allegations are true, worse than throwing an illegal spitter?


One way it's potentially worse is that it appears to be orchestrated by the coaching staff, which might not be true of a spitballing pitcher. It also impacts every game and the whole defense. A more effective form of cheating potentially orchestrated at a high level.
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