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Topic: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Topic: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

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M.D.W.S.T
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College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/20/2024 1:30:10 PM

Finally.

FBS leaders on adopted a change to the 12-team expanded playoff model, moving to a “5+7” system that incorporates five automatic qualifying spots for the highest-ranked conference champions and seven at-large spots for the next highest-ranked teams.

I'd still like to see the 5(P5) + 5(G5) + 7 model, but this is a nice start.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/20/2024 8:38:19 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Serious question, do you see this "start" as anything that will ever include the G5 more so than they were already included? IMO, at the end of the day, 8-12 is cannon fodder and an easy bye for the top teams.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/20/2024 9:05:20 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Nah, I don’t think G5 champs will ever be included, but how much fun would that be?

I think there would be more upsets than you think.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/20/2024 9:33:41 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

The only thing that will increase the involvement of the G5 is if they start winning games in the playoffs (or at least coming close), when they get to the playoffs. G5 teams winning shows that G5 teams belong there. G5 teams getting crushed shows that they do not.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/21/2024 9:36:15 AM

L.C. wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

If the G5 has to play by the same rules as the P5 then I think we need a little incentive, and a few assurances, that we are getting the same opportunities.

Lower seeds taking it to the big boys is what makes the NCAA tournament so great. Sure, 9 times out of 10, the 13-16 seed is getting blasted... but then when they actually win... how awesome? Thats why everyone watches. The first two rounds are the best part of the weekend. It will probably be UCONN vs Arizona anyway, but that doesn't make Charleston knocking off UNC in a 15-2 match up any less incredible.

Thats kind of been my argument all along. To give G5 teams a REAL shot at not just the bowl games on that stage, but actually have a chance at all that money that comes along with it. That is HUGE for the G5 level. That could potentially level the playing field across FBS, as well.

Ohio State doesn't care about $6M from a lower tier bowl game... but that is 25% of OU's athletic budget. That's double our basketball budget. It could really do a lot of good. And even if teams get slaughtered, at least they earned their right to be there. Rather than what will essentially become additional regular season games between the SEC and Big 10.

Last Edited: 2/21/2024 9:39:18 AM by M.D.W.S.T

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/21/2024 9:37:40 AM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Nah, I don’t think G5 champs will ever be included, but how much fun would that be?

I think there would be more upsets than you think.

But I think this system will for sure help the teams, like those Boise State and Marshall teams of recent lore, to at least have a chance to compete. In the end, they'll all go down like UC did a season or so but they'll be some upsets in the first round.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/21/2024 10:53:28 AM

The original plan called for the bracket each year to include the six highest-ranked conference champions, plus the next six highest-ranked teams. This would have automatically included the highest ranked G5 school. The plan as adopted does not give this guarantee. The G5 got screwed, and the G5 conference reps went along with it.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/21/2024 11:48:31 AM

JimLurker34 wrote:

Yeah, extremely unfortunate.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/21/2024 1:29:18 PM

JimLurker34 wrote:

I don't think this is correct. The Pac12 has gone away so we have P4 - Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big12. The fifth conference champ is going to be the highest ranked G5 conference champion.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/21/2024 3:27:13 PM

stockercat wrote:

JimLurker34 wrote:

I don't think this is correct. The Pac12 has gone away so we have P4 - Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big12. The fifth conference champ is going to be the highest ranked G5 conference champion.

Per CBS Sports:

The new format still preserves the Group of Five's spot at the table, with that fifth automatic qualifier likely going to one of the Mid-American Conference, Sun Belt, American Athletic Conference, Conference USA or Mountain West Conference.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/22/2024 9:34:28 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

stockercat wrote:

JimLurker34 wrote:

I don't think this is correct. The Pac12 has gone away so we have P4 - Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big12. The fifth conference champ is going to be the highest ranked G5 conference champion.

I'm kicking a dead horse, but what if they took the five (six?) G5 Conf Champs and had them play for two spots in the big tournament? Then the G5 "champ" be decided in like round 1 or something?

So hypothetically follow me here...

Liberty gets a BYE for being highest ranked G5.
(1st Round)
Miami v Boise
SMU v Troy

(2nd Round)
Miami v SMU

Liberty + SMU get TWO spots in the playoff format and play each other, to see who moves to the 2nd round... or you put them both as the two lowest seeds and it's either an upset, or a tune up game for Bama, Ohio State.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/22/2024 10:30:43 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

stockercat wrote:

JimLurker34 wrote:

I don't think this is correct. The Pac12 has gone away so we have P4 - Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big12. The fifth conference champ is going to be the highest ranked G5 conference champion.

Thanks, I feel better. I had forgotten that the P5 is now the P4!

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/22/2024 1:24:24 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

It's a nice idea but the "P"s would never go for it. They already cringe with one guaranteed spot for a low-ranked G5 team (G5s rarely finish in the top ten in the final CFP poll). Basically, the format is the Top 11 + one. Based on last year, the G5 slot would've been filled by by the #23 team. Getting a second, likely unranked, G5 team in the mix would probably be absolutely unacceptable to them. Plus, it would add two weeks to the second G5 team's schedule, which increases the risk of injuries.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/22/2024 6:28:19 PM

Pataskala wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

This and add in the fact that there is now news that discussion of 14 and 16 team tournaments are in play - they're gonna keep as much of the pie for themselves as possible. Just like with the NCAA Tournament expansion, it's never about getting the little guy more chances. Those at large bids will just go to a 10-2 or 9-3 B1G or SEC team who cries foul because they had too tough of a regular season schedule compared to a 12-0 Sun Belt.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/23/2024 11:07:02 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

At what point do we consider a G5 playoff?

Is there an appetite for that? Outside of this board? I mean, more football is rarely a bad thing, but generating additional revenue... I think if we keep it at home sites, it could sell a lot of tickets and could be a lot of fun.

It doesn't have to be FCS 24 team-level, but something with the conference champions and a few at-large teams could be a good idea. Maybe the 10 teams in the conference championships + 2-4 outliers could be a fun sort of scenario. I think the bowl system needs fixed anyway, but maybe this could entice someone like the GMAC bowl to still sponsor the bowl, but move it to campus sites to actually sell tickets and build excitement. Cities getting kickbacks from politicians and former friends for hosting UTEP vs UMASS in Antarctica, bc someone owns a business there is a terrible way to run a bowl system.

Last Edited: 2/23/2024 11:10:49 AM by M.D.W.S.T

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/23/2024 4:30:24 PM

I’m really thinking it will be 16, not sure how many top programs will relish a BYE week. Other aspect of all this, with game to prepare for, how do they navigate the Award circuit. In past schools had down time before Bowl, BCS and CFP prep. Now it creeps into prep.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/25/2024 4:28:42 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

I would say 8 teams.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/29/2024 2:37:23 PM

Yahoo's Ross Dellenger reported that the latest idea being thrown around by the Playoff Committee is 14 teams with the following stipulations:

-3 Auto bids for the Big Ten
-3 Auto bids for the SEC
-2 Auto bids for the ACC
-2 Auto bids for the Big 12
-1 Auto bid for the G5 (AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt)
-3 at large bids

If you're the ACC or Big 12 why in the hell would you go along with this?

Last Edited: 2/29/2024 2:38:02 PM by GoCats105

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/29/2024 3:06:46 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

I hate this crap. Why should there ever be an automatic bid for a non-conference champ? You're pre-ordaining teams before they've earned anything. yes, the at-larges will mostly come from the P5 but giving them out before the season has been played?

I hate this crap.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/29/2024 3:30:22 PM

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GoCats105 wrote:

Yeah I have to think if this were done it would almost kill the conference championship games. Why would any team risk playing their starters in a game that essentially doesn't count, when you already have a playoff spot locked up? This is so, so dumb.

Because yes, 10-2 Penn State really deserved an AUTO bid this year after proving they weren't worthy in the two losses they had.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/29/2024 4:10:19 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

I have a hard time thinking the G5 AD's would cement themselves as the "G5" and make them look like the FCS by having their own playoff... but there is not even the illusion of inclusivity. Money drives all. 10-2 Penn State gets more eyes and dollars than 14-0 James Madison.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 2/29/2024 5:11:33 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Plus, it would put participants in conference championship games at a disadvantage by making them play while other teams get a week off (or an extra week off if Army and Navy are allowed to play the last game of the regular season). It's sort of like conference b-ball tourneys .Why the hell would a team want to play in their conference's championship game when they already are guaranteed a spot in the playoff?

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 3/1/2024 2:23:36 PM

The 14-team is gaining traction and wouldn't be implemented until 2026. Sources told Action Network's Brett McMurphy that "it's more like an invitational than a tournament."

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME.

Last Edited: 3/1/2024 2:23:55 PM by GoCats105

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 3/2/2024 3:00:55 PM

They’re just wanting to leech all the money they can and even the other P-2 can’t do much about it. On our way to a complete break one of these days.

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RE: College Football Playoff expands to new '5+7' format.

Posted: 4/15/2024 7:04:31 AM

The initial proposal aimed to include the six highest-ranked conference champions each year, along with the next six highest-ranked teams, which would have inherently incorporated the top-ranked Group of Five (G5) school. However, the adopted plan lacks this assurance. Consequently, the https://plnkgame.com G5 has been disadvantaged, and their conference representatives acquiesced to the decision.

Last Edited: 4/18/2024 3:36:15 AM by Reynolds33

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