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Topic: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

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RufusCat09
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NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 3:51:39 PM

The reality that is NIL and Ohio being in the MAC.

Albin seeking donations from Bobcat Nation. Things must be pretty bad / sad on the NIL front.

"Bobcat Nation, we need your help!! 🤝🏟️💚

Contribute to the 1804 Sports Collective: https://1804sportcollective.com

21 players from OUr '22 MAC East Champions team transferred to a P4 or signed with a pro roster. OUr coaching staff has done it once, & with your help we'll do it again!!"

https://x.com/CoachAlbin/status/1792997985497784624

Last Edited: 5/21/2024 3:52:27 PM by RufusCat09

shabamon
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 4:15:20 PM

What I still don't understand is... I'm not a business owner and have no other way of producing an actual NIL opportunity. I'm just a regular guy. If I donate to the collective, how does my money turn into NIL?

OhioBobcat
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 4:50:59 PM

RufusCat09 wrote:

So let me get this straight, we're now essentially being asked to:

1). Give money to help recruit guys (scholarships, funding).
2). Give more money to support the guys while here (donations, NIL collectives).
3). Give even more money to pay those same guys not to leave (NIL collectives, avoid the transfer portal).

Did I miss the part where we're being asked to drop cash into a barrel and watch it burn as we roast hot dogs over an open flame???

I'm beyond past the idea of paying college athletes to stay at a school to play a game - a damn game for crying out loud. And this is what burns my tail about these collectives. The idea behind the NIL drive was to allow student athletes to profit from their names, image and likeness (NIL), which made sense. Let them sign autographs, do commercials, sell their jerseys, etc., and make money off of it. Fair enough, I was on board with that. But then, these cute little collectives started popping up where people literally contribute funds towards them that essentially result in paying and buying players. Schools can literally go shopping for players through these collectives. It's beyond man...With the cost of living alone nowadays, the idea of now literally paying guys money to play MAC football would be a colossal waste of my funds. Look, I'm all in support of making donations and attending/watching games. But no way in heck am I going to go to work to make money, so I can turn around and give some of that hard-earned money to try and keep a kid from leaving a college football team. Yes, I realize this is happening nation wide, and that blows my mind. And yes, I realize I might be in the minority with my way of thinking. And I'm okay with that. But count me out. I'll buy season tickets, pay for hotels/food/gas/tolls/parking, and I'll Stand Up And Cheer. But I'll be damned to pay college kids to stay and/or not leave a football team. I have much more important things to do with my money. If they want to come to Ohio, great. If they want to leave, then go. I'm just not going to pay into trying to change the latter.

I'm stepping off my soapbox now...

shabamon
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 5:06:59 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

RufusCat09 wrote:

Even Deion Sanders agrees with you.

stockercat
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 5:15:59 PM

OhioBobcat - I am in 100% agreement with you. I will attend the games and support the university but I will not personally fund a collective to pay players directly.

Mike Coleman
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 5:52:09 PM

Crazy times. Even James Franklin is out begging for money. At Penn State. Penn Freaking State, where they just announced $700 million in stadium upgrades.

https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/article/penn-sta... /

RufusCat09
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 6:00:04 PM

Does anyone out there have any insight / clarity on OUr current NIL situation? like number-wise?

I mean what amount of money will actually make an impact??

Especially from the casual fan vs a business owner. Guessing from the default on the 1804 collective site of $2500, it must be a lot of money.

Last Edited: 5/21/2024 6:01:58 PM by RufusCat09

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 6:00:34 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

I don't disagree with you.

But I do think this is the same money that's always been there, it's just going to a different place. These donors used to build practice centers and fancy locker rooms and fund coaching salaries and all manner of other things. The money's the same, it's just redirected to the players now.

The money was all about getting college kids to commit and play at a certain school. Now they're just allowed to do so more directly.

M.D.W.S.T
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 8:02:41 PM

shabamon wrote:

That pony left the stable a long long time ago.

Your money turns into NIL in the form of $1000 handshakes.

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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 9:17:30 PM

shabamon wrote:

Its pay to play. No one is supposed to say that its pay to play but...its pay to play.
Contributions to the collective go to pay "not-salary"

shabamon
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 10:05:17 PM

So it's like money laundering without a business front.

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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/21/2024 11:49:38 PM

RufusCat09 wrote:

This is NIL collective estimates for 2023-24. Ohio's athletic department was expected to raise over $509,000 in their collective last year based on outside projections which would be 4th in the MAC but far behind the average totals of their G5 peers.

https://nil-ncaa.com/mac /

The average G5 schools were projected to raise $1.45 million last year with 50% going to football, 37% to basketball and 13% to other sports. P5 schools expected an average of $9.8 million with 66% going to football.

Last Edited: 5/21/2024 11:59:10 PM by FormerMember

giacomo
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 7:27:03 AM

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/40189896...

This will be the first of many lawsuits.

Maddog13
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 7:57:45 AM

Ah, the fantasy of fair play is officially over. Pay up or go home a loser. Unfettered Capitalism has finally soiled the waters of college athletics forever moving forward. What is the point of having team sports anymore anyway? Let us just turn this into a Mixed Martial Arts competition where the winner takes all. Kind of a lottery for those who are athletically gifted. As long as it is bloody, who cares.

Perhaps, the only way to even the playing field is to come up with some sort of handicap for those teams with an unfair financial advantage. Perhaps, Power 5 teams can spot us a one hundred point advantage going into a game in order to make this clown show even remotely interesting.

Personally, I am just going to stick to watching professional sports, because at least there is some honesty in it. Can�t say that I blame the athletes themselves. After all, don�t hate the player, but do hate the game.

colobobcat66
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 8:38:18 AM

Maddog13 wrote:

When players are making more money playing college sports than playing �pro� sports something is amiss

Mike Coleman
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 8:40:36 AM

What�s baffling to me is these payments still retain their tax deductible status. So, as the case of Jalen Rashada shows, you can pay someone $13+ million to do a job (job being boosting your ego by winning football games at your alma mater) and get a multimillion dollar tax break for it. EDIT: Florida boosters apparently didn�t pay, but I�m sure Georgia�s did.

Like, is there a way for normal, non yacht-owning, people to use this? For instance, say, Parker Navarro�s Kitchen Remodeling. Give Parker $50,000 to (using approved subcontractors) to remodel a kitchen then get a $12,000 tax break on said repairs? I�d be all in for that lol.

Last Edited: 5/22/2024 8:52:04 AM by Mike Coleman

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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 10:31:37 AM

shabamon wrote:

So it's like money laundering without a business front.

Yes, I think in essence that is what's happening.

shabamon
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 11:05:53 AM

JimLurker34 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

So it's like money laundering without a business front.

Yes, I think in essence that is what's happening.

Seriously. Our own form doesn't even prompt for my business or what kind of NIL opportunity I have in mind before it takes my money.

Ohio69
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 11:19:49 AM

We are headed into international soccer territory. Whichever franchise spends the most money wins the most titles.....

Last Edited: 5/22/2024 11:20:08 AM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

OhioBobcat
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 11:21:38 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

The money is far from being "the same." The NIL collectives are a completely different animal than earmarked donations to athletic department projects.

There's always been a facilities race in college athletics, and it's been accelerated in the last 20 years (new buildings, new equipment, improved training facilities, academic centers, etc). The money that goes into those projects certainly has a purpose to help attract student athletes to a school. But their main purpose is to help them train and improve the students who are there while at that school. The money goes/went to a physical structure like a building, a weight room and equipment that the entire team/programs can use while affiliated with their respective programs. You can walk into Ohio's stadium tower, weight room, indoor facility or endzone facility today, and you can came back in 10, 20 or 30 years, and they'll still be standing (and will most likely have been renovated and improved with even more funds through donations). They were investments that were made that aided the construction of those facilities. Those donations went towards a project, they did not go to a student athlete for them to use the funds as they see fit. And the purpose of those donations ultimately benefits the student athletes as they become the beneficiaries, they reap the rewards from being able to utilize the projects those donations help create. It's a brick-and-mortar type of an investment that benefits many. It has a defined use and purpose.

The NIL collectives, however, are totally different. It allows people to give money to the collective that ultimately will result in a payout to players for "services." Don't even get me started on that part. But the NIL collectives are literally used to compensate players directly. Pay them to stay at a school, pay them to leave their school for another. It's taking your money, giving it to the collective, and it eventually ending up in the players' bank accounts to do whatever they want with it. Buy a new car, go on a shopping spree, drink it away on Court Street, save it, invest it, whatever. This is clearly different than making donations. Yes, it all concerns money, but it's apples and oranges as to where the money goes and how it is actually used.

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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 1:00:00 PM

Former Florida State quarterback Drew Weatherford is leading a charge for private equity firms to invest in college athletics.

https://footballscoop.com/news/drew-weatherford-capital-r...

Please, for the love of God, no.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 1:38:54 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

You're describing how the money's being used, not where it came from.

The NIL donor base is basically exactly the same as the school's donor base for facilities and the like. These NIL collectives aren't magically creating millions of dollars in net new donations. The money's the same, it's now spent differently.

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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 2:55:14 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

As a college development officer I can say you're spot on. At an individual donor level, the alum who gives to athletics (most donors are alums) is now torn between giving to a ransom pool or the athletics general fund. For example, Bobcat Club dollars going into the athletics general fund get you three priority points. If the donation is sport specific, it's one point per dollar. Does a donor do that or pay into a ransom pool. From what I'm reading in this thread, most folks are saying you can keep the hostage.

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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/22/2024 11:04:13 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

When you gave to the general fund that went to athletes in the form of summer school and basic slush funds for projects. Only gave to restricted projects, where I choose how my money is spent.

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RE: NIL: Albin's Cry For Help

Posted: 5/23/2024 8:17:11 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

When you gave to the general fund that went to athletes in the form of summer school and basic slush funds for projects. Only gave to restricted projects, where I choose how my money is spent.

Unless you give a ton of money this isn't true. If the sum total of all the donations were $1,000,000 to the general fund and OU decides to spend $500,000 on project A and $500,000 on project B that's how it will be allocated. If you donate $20,000 to project B instead of to the general fund so now the general fund has $980,000 in it and the fund for project B has $20,000 guess what is going to happen? Half of that general fund isn't going to project B anymore. $500,000 of it still goes to project A and $480,000 to project B. Unless you donate enough ear marked money to overwhelm the general fund your money is still basically going to get mixed into the general fund in OU's mind. It won't make any difference on how any money is spent.

As far as NIL direct donations go that may still be a little different. There may be rules that still make this money actually be separate. I think there have been recent lawsuits by P5 schools trying to eliminate any such rule.

Last Edited: 5/23/2024 11:01:06 AM by Victory

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