Welcome Guest! Create an Account login email: password: remember me: BASKETBALLFOOTBALLMESSAGE BOARDCHATLINKS site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp Message Board BobcatAttack.com Message Board General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events Topic:  Administrators at OU increasing Topic:  Administrators at OU increasing Author Message TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,097 Status: Offline     Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/4/2016 10:21:38 PM  This is for Alan and anyone else who loathes the press releases on the next highly paid administrator at the university. The number of administrators since FY2012 has increased from 1,419 to 1,489 about 5 percent. The number of Group I faculty, the highest faculty classification has declined from 841 to 807 a 4 to 5 percent decrease. Administrative staff salaries have increased 12 percent between 2010-2017 with faculty only up 7.2% while student employees have taken an 8.6% decrease from their meager salaries. In other news this fall is projecting 18,228 undergraduates up 350 from last year due to record freshman classes the previous few years. http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-s---budget-inclu... Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,982 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/5/2016 1:36:46 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: This is for Alan and anyone else who loathes the press releases on the next highly paid administrator at the university. The number of administrators since FY2012 has increased from 1,419 to 1,489 about 5 percent. The number of Group I faculty, the highest faculty classification has declined from 841 to 807 a 4 to 5 percent decrease. Administrative staff salaries have increased 12 percent between 2010-2017 with faculty only up 7.2% while student employees have taken an 8.6% decrease from their meager salaries. In other news this fall is projecting 18,228 undergraduates up 350 from last year due to record freshman classes the previous few years. http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-s---budget-inclu... I'm sure we can find a trustee who can come on and enlighten us as to how we need fewer professors and more middle management at higher salaries. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,570 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/5/2016 6:42:29 AM  When I started Chairing FDU's Industrial Advisory Committee I wanted to put together a program to raise money for the Engineering Technology programs. I could not believe the number of Administrators who each had to sign off,with the college's Dean making the final call. That meant if all the mid level Administrators said "yes',the Dean could still kill it. I told the first Administrator I met with that I wanted to meet with the Dean,since he had the final say anyway. If not,the Committee would just go in a different direction. After the shock wore off,he scheduled the meeting. On another note. I'm not for reducing faculty. But another thing that shocked me is how few classes professors have to teach. Research is fine,but I believe their primary role should be teaching. Last Edited: 7/5/2016 6:42:46 AM by rpbobcat Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,091 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/5/2016 12:00:19 PM  rpbobcat wrote: On another note. I'm not for reducing faculty. But another thing that shocked me is how few classes professors have to teach. Research is fine,but I believe their primary role should be teaching. Could not agree more - especially in some disciplines. I was a history major but how many times do we need to research the Battle of Sharpsburg. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,091 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/5/2016 12:01:00 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: This is for Alan and anyone else who loathes the press releases on the next highly paid administrator at the university. The number of administrators since FY2012 has increased from 1,419 to 1,489 about 5 percent. The number of Group I faculty, the highest faculty classification has declined from 841 to 807 a 4 to 5 percent decrease. Administrative staff salaries have increased 12 percent between 2010-2017 with faculty only up 7.2% while student employees have taken an 8.6% decrease from their meager salaries. In other news this fall is projecting 18,228 undergraduates up 350 from last year due to record freshman classes the previous few years. http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-s---budget-inclu... Come on Wes, you should know by now that we can't use the ANews as source material for posts. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,030 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/5/2016 3:29:51 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: This is for Alan and anyone else who loathes the press releases on the next highly paid administrator at the university. The number of administrators since FY2012 has increased from 1,419 to 1,489 about 5 percent. The number of Group I faculty, the highest faculty classification has declined from 841 to 807 a 4 to 5 percent decrease. Administrative staff salaries have increased 12 percent between 2010-2017 with faculty only up 7.2% while student employees have taken an 8.6% decrease from their meager salaries. In other news this fall is projecting 18,228 undergraduates up 350 from last year due to record freshman classes the previous few years. http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-s---budget-inclu... We need more meaningful analysis Uncle Wes. The ANews didn't provide it. It just listed data. Why did the number administrators increase? Were the increases good investments? What's an "administrator"? What was going on leading up to 2012 (recession, other?) that could have had an impact on all this data? What's Group I faculty? What's Group II Faculty? Why is one group up and one down? Is anyone earning more money, or are there just more bodies so the aggregate spent on salaries went up? One line that caught my eye was $15 million more income than expected from graduate students. I'm sure someone else read that and thinks some poor grad student paid a ton more in tuition in fees. My guess is there were more graduate students enrolled than expected (and they didn't pay a ton more.) Who knows which one it was? Etc. Last Edited: 7/5/2016 3:30:29 PM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,097 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/5/2016 11:07:29 PM  Dr. Ping I believe had it right that the way to improve a schools reputation was to concentrate on high end academics and keeping enrollment in check with a high faculty to student ratio. The direction the school has moved in under McDavis is toward a generic major state university model with corporate approaches and starting a nursing program for example because its popular. OU was a step above Ohio State with a smaller more selective university but the school is now reduced to overflow for OSU. Take faculty salaries, OU didn't even target to compete with OSU and is content with aiming to be within the Top 3 of public university salaries. How is hording 18,000 undergraduates at a school in Southeast Ohio is in the best interest of the state? Sure the additional students have helped to revitalize Athens but they've put pressure on the housing stock in town. More faculty buying in Athens and fixing up the properties is a smarter way to go. The appeal of Athens as a smaller liberal arts focused public school is what was bringing students in but that's fading. With it the hope the school would ever be considered among the elite public universities. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,030 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/6/2016 8:45:38 AM  Well, its an interesting discussion to have Uncle Wes. What is better for the state of Ohio? 15,000 students studying liberal arts or more students and graduating doctors, nurses, other health fields, engineers, and teachers, and etc. better for the state? I can argue both sides... Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,573 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/6/2016 1:06:22 PM  Ohio69 wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: This is for Alan and anyone else who loathes the press releases on the next highly paid administrator at the university. The number of administrators since FY2012 has increased from 1,419 to 1,489 about 5 percent. The number of Group I faculty, the highest faculty classification has declined from 841 to 807 a 4 to 5 percent decrease. Administrative staff salaries have increased 12 percent between 2010-2017 with faculty only up 7.2% while student employees have taken an 8.6% decrease from their meager salaries. In other news this fall is projecting 18,228 undergraduates up 350 from last year due to record freshman classes the previous few years. http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-s---budget-inclu... We need more meaningful analysis Uncle Wes. The ANews didn't provide it. They never do. Really respect their business model though. Tabloid seems like easy money IMO. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,337 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/6/2016 11:22:50 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: . . . The appeal of Athens as a smaller liberal arts focused public school is what was bringing students in but that's fading. With it the hope the school would ever be considered among the elite public universities. Sorry, that ship has sailed, and it's not coming back. The day that the Collge of Arts and Sciences ran the university is over. The College of Communication, with its top raked J-school, the heavily endowed Russ College of Engineering, the College of HHS, etc., are bringing in the new generation of OHIO students. These are the schools -- along with the Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine -- that will bring increasing prestige to The OHIO University. And, that's a good thimg. We are not a Miami. They are still an overgrown liberal arts COLLEGE. We are increasingly becoming a true UNIVERSITY, with the diversity in educational offerings and research opportunities that are congruent with our birthright. Some real cutting edge research is taking place in engineering and medicine. But, one example is the development of a whole new class of antibiotics. A liberal arts school does not do such things. We, sir, are no Miami! ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,097 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/7/2016 12:46:54 AM  Ohio69 wrote: Well, its an interesting discussion to have Uncle Wes. What is better for the state of Ohio? 15,000 students studying liberal arts or more students and graduating doctors, nurses, other health fields, engineers, and teachers, and etc. better for the state? I can argue both sides... What's better is 15,000 students studying to be doctors and engineers and other higher end academic offerings such as the J school over 18,000 students majoring in lower tier allied health professions. Cut the student faculty ratio down and raise the incoming freshman stats. Let someone who wants to become a nurse graduate from Marshall who desperately needs the students. Once a school moves beyond the mid teens in undergraduate enrollment its no longer a mid sized public university. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,097 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/7/2016 1:32:56 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: . . . The appeal of Athens as a smaller liberal arts focused public school is what was bringing students in but that's fading. With it the hope the school would ever be considered among the elite public universities. Sorry, that ship has sailed, and it's not coming back. The day that the Collge of Arts and Sciences ran the university is over. The College of Communication, with its top raked J-school, the heavily endowed Russ College of Engineering, the College of HHS, etc., are bringing in the new generation of OHIO students. These are the schools -- along with the Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine -- that will bring increasing prestige to The OHIO University. And, that's a good thimg. We are not a Miami. They are still an overgrown liberal arts COLLEGE. We are increasingly becoming a true UNIVERSITY, with the diversity in educational offerings and research opportunities that are congruent with our birthright. Some real cutting edge research is taking place in engineering and medicine. But, one example is the development of a whole new class of antibiotics. A liberal arts school does not do such things. We, sir, are no Miami! ;-) I believe over 20% of the university is studying the sciences now compared to the national average of 14%. As someone who studied the sciences at Ohio the appeal was it was a place one could study science on a campus with a liberal arts environment instead of a large diploma mill public school. I have no problem with the growth in graduate students because that is high end university offerings. Taking this to sports, Ohio with the Convo had a large arena for a mid sized university and FBS membership for small college town is impressive. Go to a larger enrollment and the athletics look too small for the size of the university. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,570 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/7/2016 6:35:34 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: Ohio69 wrote: Well, its an interesting discussion to have Uncle Wes. What is better for the state of Ohio? 15,000 students studying liberal arts or more students and graduating doctors, nurses, other health fields, engineers, and teachers, and etc. better for the state? I can argue both sides... What's better is 15,000 students studying to be doctors and engineers and other higher end academic offerings such as the J school over 18,000 students majoring in lower tier allied health professions. Cut the student faculty ratio down and raise the incoming freshman stats. Let someone who wants to become a nurse graduate from Marshall who desperately needs the students. Once a school moves beyond the mid teens in undergraduate enrollment its no longer a mid sized public university. Have to take exception to the "nurse" comment. My wife was looking into get her Maters in Nursing using O.U.'s distance learning program. Unfortunately,O.U. doesn't have any clinical affiliations in N.J. What she found was that O.U's got one of the top nursing programs in the country. Why would you want to get rid of that ? Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,091 Status: Offline     RE: Administrators at OU increasing    Posted: 7/10/2016 9:55:34 AM  Continuing on the topic of costs, this syndicated article from today's Dispatch provides some rather disturbing facts and figures. Is the last sentence really true - "they didn't really know what they were getting into." ? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/get-there/2016/07... 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