Welcome Guest! Create an Account login email: password: remember me: BASKETBALLFOOTBALLMESSAGE BOARDCHATLINKS site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp Message Board BobcatAttack.com Message Board General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events Topic:  A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets Topic:  A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets Author Message rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,570 Status: Offline     A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets    Posted: 6/19/2017 11:00:23 AM  I know this is a stretch for an O.U. tie-in,but I was trying to get some insight into the destroyer crash last week. According to the news,the Japanese ship went past the destroyer,made a U-turn and "T-boned" it at high speed. To me,even at night,that seems hard to do accidentally. I've never been on anything bigger then a 100' pleasure boat,so I wondered if someone who did serve either on a Naval vessel or even a merchant ship could provide some enlightenment Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets    Posted: 6/19/2017 11:27:17 AM  I can't answer your question, only add to it. As someone who boats regularly with relatively low-grade instruments, I don't understand how this could happen given the high technology of these vessels. The US warship certainly has radar equipment, positioning equipment, etc. The tanker likely also had it. How could BOTH crews and their technologies fail? Seems fishy. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,320 Status: Offline     RE: A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets    Posted: 6/19/2017 11:59:30 AM  I served aboard several ships in the U.S. Navy; however, I was not involved in navigation in any way. So, I only have a general sense of these things, no great expertise. I worked as a Navy journalist, so my instrument was not a sextant but a typewriter! Given those disclaimers, if the Japanese ship acted as described, it almost certainly had to be deliberate. However, I'm sure the captain of the U.S. vessel will be up for a court martial. He may or may not be convicted depending on the exact facts of the case. If the smaller vessel was able to out maneuver and ram the destroyer, it'll be interesting to see if they can establish that this maneuver should have in some way been interpreted as hostile in a timely enough manner to sink it before it rammed into the destroyer. The destroyer captain, if alerted to a hostile intent, would have no other choice than to sink the other vessel with whatever weapons were available, as there would not be time to maneuver out of the way if, indeed, the other vessel was smaller and more maneuverable. I'm assuming here that the other vessel was smaller, though I haven't seen a statement to that effect. If the other vessel was larger, than it's a whole different story. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,950 Status: Offline     RE: A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets    Posted: 6/19/2017 12:06:15 PM  rpbobcat wrote: I know this is a stretch for an O.U. tie-in,but I was trying to get some insight into the destroyer crash last week. According to the news,the Japanese ship went past the destroyer,made a U-turn and "T-boned" it at high speed. To me,even at night,that seems hard to do accidentally. I've never been on anything bigger then a 100' pleasure boat,so I wondered if someone who did serve either on a Naval vessel or even a merchant ship could provide some enlightenment Do not get carried away with that version just yet. That is what the US Navy is selling, however the shipping company claims that the accident happened an hour earlier, the naval ship failed to yield the right of way, and the back tracking was done after the collision. the entire "turned that ship around" and then made contact is tough to believe, because container ships do not "just turn around". And you can tell by the photos, the ship was not "T-Boned", as a container ship would have run right over a ship that size. Still, the US is disputing the time of incident established by the Japanese Coast Guard and the shipping company. This in itself brings up interesting questions. Last Edited: 6/19/2017 3:53:39 PM by BillyTheCat Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,950 Status: Offline     RE: A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets    Posted: 6/19/2017 12:08:55 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: If the smaller vessel was able to out maneuver and ram the destroyer, it'll be interesting to see if they can establish that this maneuver should have in some way been interpreted as hostile in a timely enough manner to sink it before it rammed into the destroyer. You do realize that the "smaller" ship here was the destroyer, and smaller by quite a bit!!! The destroyer is also quite a bit faster and more mobile than the container ship. In short that container ship should never be able to purposefully ram a fully functional destroyer in the open seas. Last Edited: 6/19/2017 12:21:32 PM by BillyTheCat Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,320 Status: Offline     RE: A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets    Posted: 6/19/2017 8:19:57 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: If the smaller vessel was able to out maneuver and ram the destroyer, it'll be interesting to see if they can establish that this maneuver should have in some way been interpreted as hostile in a timely enough manner to sink it before it rammed into the destroyer. You do realize that the "smaller" ship here was the destroyer, and smaller by quite a bit!!! The destroyer is also quite a bit faster and more mobile than the container ship. In short that container ship should never be able to purposefully ram a fully functional destroyer in the open seas. No, I obviously did not know that at the time I wrote my original post. A few minutes before I saw your message I discovered that fact. The initial reports I saw did not say much about the size or type of the other vessel. As the larger vessel, the Japanese ship would have had the right of way, so it does look to me -- unless there was some real weird maneuvering here that seems quite unlikely, and virtually impossible -- that the captain is going to be convicted of dereliction of duty at court martial. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,569 Status: Offline     RE: A Question For Any O.U. Navy Vets    Posted: 6/20/2017 8:19:26 AM  http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/19/politics/uss-fitzgerald-cra... Similar to trans-oceanic jets that go missing these days, I find it amazing that there are so many questions that still surround the circumstances of this collision. I've seen costs estimated at 1.5 billion for the Destroyer, and while I'd imagine a lot of that is related specifically to missile or very expensive defensive technologies (beyond being rammed by another ship), I find it amazing you wouldn't have monitoring that would capture video of an incident like this to be analyzed in the aftermath to prevent repeat mistakes. Or sensors that would tell you the exact time of impact and when various areas of the ship were breached with water. In that regard, the more plausible explanation to me seems that the US Navy does have that information and it hasn't been shared with the Japanese Coast Guard or the media. Which is reasonable depending on what they believe happened that caused this. I have no clue what the outcome of this will be, but multiple somethings aren't adding up here. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 7  of 7 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 205 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 205 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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