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TWT
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Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 7/30/2017 12:52:11 PM

One of the topic areas is on strategic growth in enrollment and programs.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/the-athens-news-si...

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Alan Swank
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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 7/30/2017 1:41:01 PM

In that entire article there isn't one mention of athletics.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 7/30/2017 6:24:15 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

In that entire article there isn't one mention of athletics.

My theory: His comments must've been all positive. Since the Athens News has an anti-athletics agenda, they couldn't let those comments out to the public.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 7/30/2017 11:30:25 PM

He's talking enrollment growth though. Enrollment cut for undergraduate raising admission standards is what Ohio needs.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 7/31/2017 9:21:30 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

He's talking enrollment growth though. Enrollment cut for undergraduate raising admission standards is what Ohio needs.

I'm no expert, but I'm guessing the $$$ (tuition and housing, specifically) doesn't make that a good decision.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 7/31/2017 12:47:51 PM

Given current demographic trends, growing enrollment without decreasing the class profile is going to be highly difficult and probably dependent on two things: more out of state students and growing the part of the endowment that goes to merit aid. Not easy things to do. McDavis was only able to show marginal improvements in student quality during a demographic boom. If Nellis can pull this off, he'll be a vast improvement over his predecessor.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 7/31/2017 7:52:43 PM

Here is an interesting chart:

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/student/ACTClassProfile.pdf

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 7/31/2017 10:39:38 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Here is an interesting chart:

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/student/ACTClassProfile.pdf

Only 6% with a 31-36 ACT score lower than the national average. Huge increase in undecided majors. A 22% decrease in families making under 60,000 with a 60% increase in families making over 100,000 since 2005. Whatever OU is doing marketing wise is not at all working especially in light of the gains made by Ohio State and Miami.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 12:01:58 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Here is an interesting chart:

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/student/ACTClassProfile.pdf

I didn't bore into it enough to catch the economic background numbers. That's pathetic. We're getting richer kids with little to no gain in quality. I've said it here before McDavis was an utter mediocrity who shoveled BS to hide his shortcomings. His tenure will go down as a decade of lost possibilities. Good riddance.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 7:36:48 AM

interesting that Dublin Coffman was the second highest contributor of students to OU after Athens High. Any insight on why?

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 9:10:39 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

He's talking enrollment growth though. Enrollment cut for undergraduate raising admission standards is what Ohio needs.

Why? And, then, why to whatever your answer is? And then, are you sure the people in charge (Board of Trustees, Ohio Department of Higher Education, Statehouse) agree? Is the role of Ohio University to be/become an institution for the academic elite? Or provide broader access and transform young lives? It is an interesting discussion to have.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 12:12:44 PM

Is the raw data from that report published anywhere?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 1:36:29 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

interesting that Dublin Coffman was the second highest contributor of students to OU after Athens High. Any insight on why?

I would guess it's just large. That's the case with William Mason HS, which is fourth. WMHS is the largest high school in the state.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 2:24:19 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

He's talking enrollment growth though. Enrollment cut for undergraduate raising admission standards is what Ohio needs.

Difficult questions. I don't believe that every public four-year university in Ohio should be selective, but I also don't believe that none of them should be selective either. It gets back to the inherent flaws in the Ohio system that set every school out to empire build and ratchet up their admissions standards. Sometimes the latter has succeeded as we've seen with UC's improvements. At Akron though, it tanked enrollment and contributed to the school's fiscal nightmare.

There's nothing wrong with Ohio having a couple of elite public universities. That being said, those campuses should make every effort available to ensure access to their campus to qualified students from lower rungs on the socio-economic ladder and not become bastions of privilege like our friends in Oxford.

The University of California campuses do a very good job of being highly selective while maintaining a healthy degree of socio-economic diversity in their student bodies. What's needed in Ohio is a more structured system that prevents 8 public universities from all trying to turn themselves into Berkeley.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 4:06:00 PM

DelBobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

interesting that Dublin Coffman was the second highest contributor of students to OU after Athens High. Any insight on why?

I would guess it's just large. That's the case with William Mason HS, which is fourth. WMHS is the largest high school in the state.

While size is a factor, the number of Coffman kids is disproportionately large compared to other schools. There is something else going on here.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 4:15:30 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

DelBobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

interesting that Dublin Coffman was the second highest contributor of students to OU after Athens High. Any insight on why?

I would guess it's just large. That's the case with William Mason HS, which is fourth. WMHS is the largest high school in the state.

While size is a factor, the number of Coffman kids is disproportionately large compared to other schools. There is something else going on here.

Was it a conscious effort on the part of the McDavis administration to recruit more afluent schools in the hopes that would drive quality metrics? He always seemed concerned with OSU's and Miami's class profiles and boasted many times that he was going to move Ohio in that direction. If that was his strategy, it failed because all those kids coming in from 100K families aren't any more qualified than those from under 60K families.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 4:49:08 PM

So the higher the ACT the better. Is that right?

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 5:09:29 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

So the higher the ACT the better. Is that right?

Yes but a 24.1 is nothing to get too excited about. It would put you in the 74th percentile.

Last Edited: 8/1/2017 6:22:40 PM by Alan Swank

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/1/2017 10:02:37 PM

A lot of the factors come down to intangibles that even the students didn't expect. I have had kids tell me they went to university x y or z because they loved campus, some of their friends were going there, their parents were alumni etc.

Also, there is a growing college selection process that gives students analytics concerning their major, personality, etc. I have met some of these folks and the range and cost of their services are all over the map. I talked to one particular selection firm and they informed me that the majority of those who go to college outside of the state's boundaries never return. Therefore, if the student wants to particular stay close to home, the firm drills down to the smallest detail. As I mentioned in the first paragraph, sometimes it boils down to the intangibles.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/2/2017 8:14:31 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

So the higher the ACT the better. Is that right?

Yes but a 24.1 is nothing to get too excited about. It would put you in the 74th percentile.

So should OU not accept a 24? What if the student has a 24 ACT and a 3.8 GPA? Heck, what if the student has a 19 ACT and a 3.95 GPA?

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/2/2017 9:29:40 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

So the higher the ACT the better. Is that right?

Yes but a 24.1 is nothing to get too excited about. It would put you in the 74th percentile.

So should OU not accept a 24? What if the student has a 24 ACT and a 3.8 GPA? Heck, what if the student has a 19 ACT and a 3.95 GPA?

19 and a 3.95? I'd say that high school has some pretty serious grade inflation going on.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/2/2017 9:38:54 AM

I don't think that's necessarily true, unless the ACT is indisputably a better measure of academic capability than a GPA. Quite a few colleges and universities don't use the ACT as an admission requirement, so I don't think it's universally accepted.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/2/2017 10:03:32 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

One person's opinion. Personally I put way more importance on the ACT score than GPA. Especially when a school awards 96 students the title of valedictorian.

https://prepexpert.com/is-your-childs-satact-score-or-gpa... /

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/2/2017 10:11:34 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

Here is an interesting chart:

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/student/ACTClassProfile.pdf

Don't have time to do it now, but I'd be curious to compare the overall ACT average for each listed HS vs. the ACT average showing on the last page.

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RE: Nellis planning public input forums

Posted: 8/2/2017 10:13:58 AM

http://college.usatoday.com/2014/02/26/new-study-says-hig... /

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/nail-biting-standardi... /

Last Edited: 8/2/2017 10:17:20 AM by Robert Fox

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