Welcome Guest! Create an Account login email: password: remember me: BASKETBALLFOOTBALLMESSAGE BOARDCHATLINKS site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp Message Board BobcatAttack.com Message Board General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events Topic:  Another tuition and room-and-board hike Topic:  Another tuition and room-and-board hike Author Message SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,042 Status: Offline     Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 1/18/2019 9:15:28 AM  Ohio announced the latest in a seemingly never-ending series of price increases. No. 1 justification? Declining enrollment. Only in the world of higher education do you raise prices when demand for your product declines. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,949 Status: Online     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 1/18/2019 11:09:51 AM  SBH wrote: Ohio announced the latest in a seemingly never-ending series of price increases. No. 1 justification? Declining enrollment. Only in the world of higher education do you raise prices when demand for your product declines. raise prices and increase middle management....sounds like a secret recipe for something. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,570 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 1/18/2019 1:33:44 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: SBH wrote: Ohio announced the latest in a seemingly never-ending series of price increases. No. 1 justification? Declining enrollment. Only in the world of higher education do you raise prices when demand for your product declines. raise prices and increase middle management....sounds like a secret recipe for something. I've posted before that I chair FDU's Industry Advisory Committee for Civil Engineering and Civil and Construction Engineering Technology. The committee is required for FDU to keep their engineering accreditation. Its composed of faculty and people who work in the engineering field. Since I started,I could not believe how many administrators,asst.administrators, asst.deans,V.P.'s in charge of _______ there are. I also can't figure out what most of these people do. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,260 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 1/18/2019 3:34:41 PM  SBH wrote: Ohio announced the latest in a seemingly never-ending series of price increases. No. 1 justification? Declining enrollment. Only in the world of higher education do you raise prices when demand for your product declines. Good thing the boys are out of college, no? Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,320 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 1/18/2019 5:18:22 PM  SBH wrote: Ohio announced the latest in a seemingly never-ending series of price increases. No. 1 justification? Declining enrollment. Only in the world of higher education do you raise prices when demand for your product declines. This is true! rpbobcat mentioned the administrative bloat in an engineering school. I remember several people in our medical school who had the title of "assistant to the associate dean for XYZ." To be fair, in this case these were real jobs with lots of responsibilities, and they were very much needed. Medical education is a strange beast. However, I was always taken aback by the titles. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,729 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 1/19/2019 11:29:16 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: Ohio announced the latest in a seemingly never-ending series of price increases. No. 1 justification? Declining enrollment. Only in the world of higher education do you raise prices when demand for your product declines. This is true! rpbobcat mentioned the administrative bloat in an engineering school. I remember several people in our medical school who had the title of "assistant to the associate dean for XYZ." To be fair, in this case these were real jobs with lots of responsibilities, and they were very much needed. Medical education is a strange beast. However, I was always taken aback by the titles. How many colleges does OU have? 9? 10? Does each have its own development staff? How about some schools within the colleges? Do they have their own development staffs? Having worked at three Fortune 500 companies, I saw staff bloat as something almost inevitable. When times were good, at a senior staff meeting, one person would say, "I have an idea that could significantly increase sales (or market penetration or something else). To make it happen I need an extra manager." No one at the table would object. Why? Because they knew they also might be proposing something similar. Then when the next inevitable recession hit - I worked through the ones in 1971, 1981, 1991, 2001 and 2008 - cutbacks became the order of the day. I wonder how seriously OU has considered consolidating some staffs - and increasing effectiveness. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,593 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 1/19/2019 3:36:54 PM  Not sure how much the has impacted OU, but at many schools the decline in enrollment is directly tied to fewer international students. They tend to pay full sticker price, so it would make sense that a decline in foreign students could lead to an increase in costs for others. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,569 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 1/24/2019 3:26:06 PM  Aren't enrollment declines pretty much a given due to generational demographics alone? I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,083 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 2/4/2019 1:00:37 PM  The Optimist wrote: Aren't enrollment declines pretty much a given due to generational demographics alone? Not at top tier schools. Admissions and sales are very similar. Those with the best product and best sales reps do well even in lean times. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,729 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 2/4/2019 1:25:12 PM  Alan Swank wrote: The Optimist wrote: Aren't enrollment declines pretty much a given due to generational demographics alone? Not at top tier schools. Admissions and sales are very similar. Those with the best product and best sales reps do well even in lean times. Just returned from the West Coast where, as usual, I read the LA Times. Saw a story that reported a decrease in applications to UC-Berkeley. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,689 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 2/8/2019 5:06:32 PM  I have felt that higher education is currently in a bubble. As many have said, too many admin not teaching. I recall Herschel McNabb of the college of business had a very lean staff during my days. When loans proliferated, the arms race began for those dollars. Many schools are in trouble. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,092 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 2/8/2019 10:43:02 PM  Its tough to say what the longer term forecast is for OU. Another recession could send tons of kids into graduate programs. OU is in a better position than most of the universities across the state having professional colleges, little competition in SE Ohio and a great campus experience for the money. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,083 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 2/9/2019 2:03:08 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: Its tough to say what the longer term forecast is for OU. Another recession could send tons of kids into graduate programs. OU is in a better position than most of the universities across the state having professional colleges, little competition in SE Ohio and a great campus experience for the money. Yet enrollment is down for the second year in a row. College Credit plus is killing the regional campuses. Less than 5500 at 7 regional campuses. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,965 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 2/11/2019 11:56:10 AM  SBH wrote: Only in the world of higher education do you raise prices when demand for your product declines. Sounds like the U.S. Post Office business model the past 20 years. As a proud Bobcat alum I believe in the full college campus experience...but not at unreasonable and unsustainable cost. Federally backed endless loans and consumer ignorance of the ramifications of those loans has fueled an unbelievable era of over-spending / over-charging for higher education. Quality college education can be offered and administered pretty cheaply. This bubble is going to explode with epic proportions and Universities will be left with lots of fancy buildings, loads of debt, and significantly less students. I hope our university is having these conversations. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Another tuition and room-and-board hike    Posted: 2/11/2019 2:46:08 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: SBH wrote: Only in the world of higher education do you raise prices when demand for your product declines. Sounds like the U.S. Post Office business model the past 20 years. As a proud Bobcat alum I believe in the full college campus experience...but not at unreasonable and unsustainable cost. Federally backed endless loans and consumer ignorance of the ramifications of those loans has fueled an unbelievable era of over-spending / over-charging for higher education. Quality college education can be offered and administered pretty cheaply. This bubble is going to explode with epic proportions and Universities will be left with lots of fancy buildings, loads of debt, and significantly less students. 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