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Topic: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Topic: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

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greencat
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Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/12/2018 9:45:12 AM

At least 8 wrestlers emerge with the same description of what happened at OSU with Jim Jordan as a coach and the locals can't wait to turn him into some sort of martyr. Meanwhile "Stormy Daniels" is arrested in the same town for consensual contact with another woman in a non-sexual manner.

This is bull5hit. Is Ohio turning into Mississippi?

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/12/2018 10:17:35 AM

greencat wrote:

As a former college wrestler, I've been following the story about the OSU doctor since it first broke.

From what I've read,with 1 exception,the "descriptions" you reference by former wrestlers are that the doctor's behavior was talked/joked about in the locker room.

As far as I know, only 1 former wrestler (Yetts) has said he actually talked to Jordan about this.
Yetts is, to say the least,not the most credible witness.

There are also now a number of former wrestlers and coaches who back up Jordan.

The Washington Post has done followup stories that went into considerable detail about the whole OSU situation.

Same thing,the Washington Examiner also did a lengthy story on this on July 7.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/12/2018 3:13:17 PM

So...it�s mere coincidence that Stormy Daniels, a very public political opponent of Trump�s, was arrested... using a law that has not been cited for 10 YEARS! (right when that coach is getting heat over his actions/inactions)

And when is there going to be an arrest in the Pike County massacre? They can (set up &) arrest a stripper with an obsolete unused misdemeanor law but can't make an arrest after the most expensive crime investigation in state history?

Kasich plays a "moderate republican" on t.v. pretty good but what is REALLY going on? Is the "stormy daniels" sham publicity stunt arrest supposed to be the example of law and order in the state capital city? Why don't they forget about the stripper for a minute and arrest somebody for the Rhodens massacre instead? This all makes the state look very small-time and amateurish.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/12/2018 3:49:59 PM

greencat wrote:

(right when that coach is getting heat over his actions/inactions)

Jim Jordan got "heat",when DeSabato first made his accusations, followed by Yetts.

As more information has come out including, as I said in my previous post,former wrestlers and coaches defending Jordan,and DeSabato and Yetts being discredited,the story kind of died.

Even the Washington Post has acknowledged the large number of people who support Jordan's side of the story.

It was interesting that the only person brought into this right now was Jordan.
No accusations against either the Head Coach or any of the other Assistant Coaches.

OSU is currently investigating Dr.Strauss's alleged sexual misconduct.
It will be interesting to see what that turns up.

Last Edited: 7/12/2018 3:54:07 PM by rpbobcat

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/14/2018 8:53:05 AM

more wrestlers have now come out and affirmed that jordan knew of the doctors actions. sad that some (in support of jordan) are taking the it�s �locker room talk� defense. that refrain sound familiar. i just can�t place it.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/14/2018 9:47:28 AM

cc-cat wrote:

I have no idea of the truth of those allegations. If Jordan did know of the doctor's behavior, and took no action, then he should resign from Congress. However, from what I've read the jury is still out as to who knew what when. I do believe that the truth will eventually come out here. These kinds of things have a tendency to unravel, piece by piece, like pealing an onion -- one layer at a time. I'm going to wait until more layers are pealed away before passing judgement. This does not appear to have been as wide-spread a problem at OSU compared to the scandal at Penn State or the now unraveling scandal at MSU. But, that doesn't make it less odious.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/14/2018 3:31:39 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Actually,the wrestlers who say Jordan should have known, were the ones saying it was talked/joked about in the locker room.

I wrestled D1 in the mid-late 1970's.

We used to make all kinds of comments in the locker room.

Things like:

How come,no matter what injury I've got,trainer _______ wants to check me for a pulled groin ?

_________ really seems to like it when someone uses a high crotch or "t" bar on him.

Seems like ________ always takes a longer shower when ______ is in there too.

As a lot of people have said,unless you know what the atmosphere of OSU locker room was at that time,its hard to say what comments/jokes should have been taken seriously.

I would think if it the wrestlers did consider it a problem someone would have spoken directly to the coach at that time.

It also seems odd that these wrestlers put up with this.
We're not talking about 14 year olds.
These are all top athletes in their 20's.
It happens once,call it a mistake.
It happens again,I would think someone would have laid the doctor out.

I know people have said that some of the wrestlers were concerned/intimidated about what could happen if they said anything to a coach.

About the only thing the doctor could do is recommend someone not wrestle.
Its still up to the wrestler.
I know, when I tore the cartilage in my knee,the team doctor recommended I sit out.
But the decision was up to me.

I would also think that if the doctor did try that,OSU would worry about a wrestler going public.

I agree with OCF,let OSU finish their investigation,and let the chips fall where they may.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/16/2018 7:37:33 AM

Stormy Daniels will have her thrown-out misdemeanor case from an Ohio strip club reviewed by the city�s chief of police, who acknowledged it was a mistake.
https://www.newsweek.com/police-chief-will-review-stormy-...

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/16/2018 7:53:47 AM

greencat wrote:

I was reading about this.

Apparently Ohio has different laws for "regular" vs."special guest" performers at "Gentlemen's Clubs".

And I thought N.J. was weird for having different laws for "Gentlemen's Clubs"
that serve alcohol vs. those that are BYOB.

In N.J.,despite what the Sopranos showed,performers in clubs that serve alcohol cannot be completely topless.
In clubs that are BYOB,they can.

Last Edited: 7/16/2018 7:56:11 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/26/2018 9:12:08 AM

greencat wrote:

A whistle blower releases internal emails from the Columbus Police Department showing that the arrest was premeditated. Pretty terrible abuse of police power for political purposes.

http://thefayetteadvocate.com/2018/07/25/whistleblower-pr... /

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/26/2018 1:00:29 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

greencat wrote:

I don't think "premeditated" is the appropriate word.
It implies that the police were going to do something,regardless of what Stormy did.
That wasn't the case.
They set her up with a sting.
She committed an act that they thought was against the law.

The police do have to answer for not being truthful about why they were at the club.
But they didn't do anything illegal.
Setting someone up,is not an "abuse of power".

I'd also like to know where,in the article you posted,is there any reference to politics.

I haven't seen anything that gives any indication of the political leanings of anyone involved.
It looks more like some local police officers were looking to make a big splash by arresting a celebrity.

Last Edited: 7/26/2018 2:39:04 PM by rpbobcat

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/26/2018 7:44:44 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

greencat wrote:

They lied about why they were there, arrested somebody for a crime that they later acknowledged was not a crime, and emails were released showing that they planned to do so several days in advance.

Not sure where the quibble with my use of "pre-meditated" comes in, honestly. They planned to arrest somebody and did so under false pretenses.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/27/2018 12:02:14 AM

Emails obtained by NBC News indicate that the arrest of Stormy Daniels by the Columbus Vice squad appears to have been planned in advance.
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/emails-show-stormy-dan...

"PLANNED IN ADVANCE" - gee, I wonder if that is the same as "pre-meditated"

And to answer the topic... the Columbus police act exactly the same as when bogus James Rhodes (with Nixon) had those kids slaughtered at Kent State and for many years after.

The state of Ohio should be embarrassed. I'm pretty sure it won't be.

Did you know that when Rhodes ran against Celeste in 1978, in the days leading up to the election, he had as many college aged people in the Columbus north and especially south campus area detained for anything he could have them held on to keep them from voting? Even jaywalking?

Rhodes served four terms as governor. As if that is supposed to be a good thing? So did George Wallace in Alabama. Just sayin'

The defeat of Roy Moore in Alabama at least shows progress. Ohio? Where's the progress? Congrats on letting the state become more @55 backwards than even Alabama.

Last Edited: 7/27/2018 12:20:06 AM by greencat

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/27/2018 6:55:03 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

No question the police lied about why they were at the club.

That's not illegal.But those officers should have to answer for what they did.

At the time of the arrest,the officers did think Ms.Daniels broke the law.
As I posted before,apparently Ohio has different laws for "regular" vs."Special Guest" adult entertainers.

Pre-planning a sting is also not illegal.

It just seems that the police would have better things to do with their time.

As far as the word "premeditated",I do a lot of expert testimony in drug cases.
"Premeditated" implies a specific "intent".

I've seen several defense atty.'s chastised by a Judge when they've used that word when referring to their client's arrest by an undercover.

Sorry,it just sticks out when I see it.

Last Edited: 7/27/2018 6:55:28 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/27/2018 3:16:07 PM

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Oh geez RP. She didn't actually commit a crime and they arrested her anyway. They didn't set up a sting. They targeted her directly with a bullshit crime that they thought couldn't be disproved. It's sick. At this point I think you'll defend anything our Traitor president does or anyone associated with him or motivated by him. We've truly lost you to Trumpism.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/27/2018 3:54:41 PM

DelBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

At the time of her arrest, the police did think she committed a crime.
A BS crime,but none the less, a crime.

Like I posted,apparently Ohio has different laws for "regular" vs "special guest" adult entertainers.
If she was a regular entertainer at the club,what she did was a crime under Ohio Law.

The police did set up a sting,she was the target.
Police do that all the time.

I also posted that,although legal,the police should have better things to do with their time then arrest an aging,saggy stripper.
Guess you missed that.

I also don't know why you feel this incident has something to do the President.

I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere in this.

From reading the stories about how this arrest came about, it seems the police's motive was publicity for themselves.

You feel I've been lost to "Trumpism".
I fell you've been lost to "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Guess that makes us even. :-)

Last Edited: 7/27/2018 3:58:01 PM by rpbobcat

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/28/2018 1:51:41 PM

Ohio has officially turned into the white trash center of the midwest.

Did you know the residents of Ashtabula have actually nicknamed their hometown "trashtabula."

In the meanwhile...
Hannity backs Jim Jordan for House speaker
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hannity-backs-jim...

HAHAHAHAHA!! Can't be house speaker when your party loses the majority.

Just sayin'

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/29/2018 12:19:53 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

DelBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I agree that the Columbus PD was doing this for publicity. But it's the political angle that makes this even remotely relevant from a publicity standpoint. Without the politics, there's no publicity. Given that, it seems pointless to distinguish one from the other as if they're different things.

If this arrest were apolitical and your reaction to it were as well, would you be commenting on the age and body of the woman who was falsely arrested?

It feels super naive to me to discount who Stormy Daniels is, the political position she's staked, and the impact a justifiable arrest would have on her character. It's a super odd thing, frankly, to insist that this was just run of the mill police incompetence and had nothing to do with politics while in the same breath criticize the body of a woman who was falsely arrested.

Your criticism of Daniels is the exact "publicity" they were hoping to harness, you're just not self-aware enough to recognize it. When you call Stormy Daniels "saggy" and "old" you're acknowledging that you're the person who would have eaten this up from a publicity standpoint. In other words, this arrest wasn't political because of the politics of the Columbus Police Department, it was political because of your politics, and the way that Trump supporters would have rallied behind this arrest. You're the demographic they were appealing to from a publicity standpoint, and you are that demographic because of your politics.

You were the mark in this particular publicity stunt. There's very little left in public life in America that isn't political. It would help our country a whole lot if people wised up to that fact, and were willing to acknowledge when they're the mark. You should be insulted by how easily the publicity hungry people -- in this case the Columbus Police Department -- think they can manipulate you. Instead you're attacking a stripper's saggy body and age.

Because of something that has nothing at all to do with politics.

Last Edited: 7/29/2018 12:31:20 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/29/2018 12:44:58 PM

recently seen on twitter:

@dale_callihan
22h22 hours ago

Being from the state of Ohio, I will be working extra hard along with my local Union to oust this no good dirty bastard Jim Jordan from his congressional seat, I have lived in Ohio all my life and no one knows Jim like I do and he is nothing but a no good dirty punk.

-------------------------------------------------------

My take... good to see there is somebody left in Ohio who can think for themselves and not fall for the fox news propaganda alternative (false) reality.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/29/2018 1:36:39 PM

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Well, if you actually watched Fox News you'd know that its hard news division is very good and has some hard-hitting, straight shooting journalists, including Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, Catherine Herridge, Ed Henry, and Shannon Bream. Some of these folks from the News Division have criticized the commentators that you seems to hate like Hannity, Carlson and Ingraham. It would improve your credibility if you singled out specific commentators you disagreed with and cite your disagreement rather than ignorantly make a broad brush statement about Fox News that's more political than reality-based.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/29/2018 2:32:59 PM

You could only name five legit ones out of 120+ on air fox newsers...

http://www.foxnews.com/person/personalities.html

That's fairly sad for fox news and does nothing to dispel their reputation as a propaganda wing of the trump crime family illegitimate white house.

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Meanwhile back in the capital city...

https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/jeffrey-whitman /

https://www.newsweek.com/white-man-ohio-n-word-work-van-v...

Whitman deleted his Facebook account (which had racist photos on it).

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And now to tie that back in to fox news...

Fox News politics editor admits that Republicans stir "hatred and fear"
CHRIS STIREWALT (FOX NEWS POLITICS EDITOR): Well, it depends on what you're trying to do. Now, the conventional wisdom, very much, is that midterm elections are base versus base elections. You've got to get more of your true believers out than their true believers out, and what Republicans have found is that culture wars, wedge issues, work better than other things when it comes to frightening or enraging the people who they want to get to the polls. Saying, hey, everything is great, the economy is cooking is not a message that meets that conventional wisdom test. It might sound right and it might even be better for moving persuadable voters, but it's not the same as sort of affecting the lizard brain of the voter that responds to strong stimuli like hatred and fear.

just in case anybody missed that last part from the fox news political editor... this is what he said...
>>>but it's not the same as sort of affecting the lizard brain of the voter that responds to strong stimuli like hatred and fear.<<<

Last Edited: 7/29/2018 2:39:18 PM by greencat

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/29/2018 10:17:34 PM

greencat wrote:

So, you don't think the Dems do the same thing to stir up their base? It's just you won't find anyone on MSNBC or CNN with enough truthfulness to admit it. That's called real journalism. Reporting the truth. So, you just uncovered another objective journalist on Fox.
Congratulations. Also, there are a lot more real journalists at Fox then the ones I listed, and the one you just uncovered. Those were just some of the more high-profile ones that I cited.

Now how would you compare Rachael Maddow to Hannity? In my mind they have about the same level of objectivity -- just on opposite sides of the spectrum.

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/29/2018 10:27:59 PM

On another matter, greencat, could you please cite for me your sources for the statements you made about Governor Rhodes? As I recall you made several very specific charges against him -- one back to the Kent State tragedy and another from one of his later terms.

In terms of Kent State, I know that there are lots of different conspiracy theories related to the Kent State shootings. I'm not sure any of them hold much water. One of the theories is that the FBI actually burned down the ROTC Building in the days prior to the shootings and that Rhodes ordered that the guard shoot the rioters because he was a tool of the FBI. This theory traces the shootings back to J. Edgar Hooer, who supposedly ordered Rhodes to send in the ONG with live bullets to confront the protesters with all necessary force. To me this is highly doubtful.

I do remember that the head of the ONG, Maj. Gen. Sylvester T. Del Corso, did go on statewide radio when the guard was sent to Kent and made it clear that they would come with loaded rifles. He said something to the effect that he wouldn't send his men into a dangerous situation in which they weren't prepared to defend themselves. If you lived through this time, you know what the climate was like with violent protests, the burning down of college buildings (a few months later the explosion that leveled parts of a math building at U of Wisconsin), etc. And, of course, the KSU ROTC Building burned down two days before the shootings. (There is evidence that the building was not burned down by KSU students but by "outside agitators.") There was reason for members of the ONG to be afraid for their lives when they were sent into this type of situation. These were not peaceful protests. They were quite violent. I'm not excusing the excessive use of force by the ONG. Gov. Rhodes and other leaders should have had more restraint, IMHO. But, I think to analyze this situation adequately one needs to try to understand the whole climate in which it occurred.

Last Edited: 7/29/2018 11:03:37 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/30/2018 9:57:57 AM

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greencat wrote:

See the problem is that folks like you see the Maddows of the world and the Hannitys of the world as two sides of the same coin, but this couldn't be further from the truth. Maddow has a perspective and it is a liberal/left one for sure. But she makes it very clear that her job is to give you a liberal/left perspective on the news of the day. She does not mislead in that respect. Hannity, on the one hand, claims that he is not a journalist, so journalism ethics do not apply to him--while on the other hand, he claims that he is a trusted source for breaking news and is objective in his reporting. You can't have your cake and eat it too, but Hannity tries to do exactly that. Another key distinction is that Maddow regularly criticized the Obama Administration from her liberal/left perspective. Hannity, on the other hand, is the propaganda arm of the Trump Administration, and in that role he completely avoids saying anything negative about 45. Finally, there is the problematic fact that conservatives overwhelmingly get their news from a single source, and for many that is Sean Hannity. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to read/watch/listen to multiple sources from a variety of different outlets. Hannity's behavior only reinforces this dynamic because he regularly claims that other sources cannot be trusted.

http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarizati... /

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RE: Has the state gone backwards since the Kent St. shooing days?

Posted: 7/30/2018 10:44:40 AM

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OhioCatFan wrote:

greencat wrote:

Bingo. We have a winner.

Beware the parade of false equivalences always trotted out as needed by the (R) party and the like. (cough-cough "libertarians")

Beware the "Whoopi is just as bad as Roseanne" and the "good people on all sides" (normal people vs KKK and neo-nazis a while back) and the "but-but-but... what about the (non-existent) "alt-left" and "the Red Rooster Buffet told the Huckabee girl to hit the bricks, so discrimination against gays is now acceptable" and "Target had a sign up that said "Happy Holidays" that didnt specifically mention Jesus, so they are no different than devil worshipers who did a ritual sacrifice with goat's blood" and "if you are against the toddlers of refugees being kidnapped and tossed into gulags in the middle of the night, you must be an advocate for MS-13" etc etc etc

While I do fault trump for much of this currently, quite a bit of this BS conduct was started by Lee Atwater when Bush-1 trailed in the poll to Gov. Dukakis and the (R) party sold out totally to the shrill desperation tactics started by Joe McCarthy and the John Birch society. It failed for Goldwater, worked for Nixon and Reagan, worked and then failed for Bush-1, failed for Dole (Pat Buchanan's infamous convention speech), etc.

Now in the mid-terms every local yokel that decided to run for the house has an faux patriotic ad running about how much he loves trump, Jesus, guns, the flag, etc. (most of them never served)

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