Welcome Guest! Create an Account login email: password: remember me: BASKETBALLFOOTBALLMESSAGE BOARDCHATLINKS site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp Message Board BobcatAttack.com Message Board General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events Topic:  Non revenue sports Topic:  Non revenue sports Author Message rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,569 Status: Offline     Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/21/2024 7:14:45 AM  There's an article by CL Brown of the Louisville Courier Journal (google his name, its comes up) about the possible demise of certain Olympic Sports. The problem ? Money, of course. With the migration of Big Time college sports, especially football and basketball to a pro-like model, athletic departments are going to be hard pressed to still be able to fund non-revenue sports. The article points out how many Olympic Athletes come from non revenue NCAA sports. Its a good read. Last Edited: 6/21/2024 7:16:10 AM by rpbobcat Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,941 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/21/2024 8:21:30 AM  rpbobcat wrote: There's an article by CL Brown of the Louisville Courier Journal (google his name, its comes up) about the possible demise of certain Olympic Sports. The problem ? Money, of course. With the migration of Big Time college sports, especially football and basketball to a pro-like model, athletic departments are going to be hard pressed to still be able to fund non-revenue sports. The article points out how many Olympic Athletes come from non revenue NCAA sports. Its a good read. And something I have continually said is going to be a biproduct of the NIL, labor movement, paying of players. Time will tell. And it's not hard to understand that the Olympics have been built off of non-revenue sports (what we call non-revenue in the U.S.). Last Edited: 6/21/2024 8:23:44 AM by BillyTheCat Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,593 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/21/2024 9:14:40 AM  Are there any other countries that rely on higher education to fund the development of Olympic athletes? Back to Top Joe McKinley General User Member Since: 11/15/2004 Post Count: 485 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/21/2024 12:42:22 PM  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the full amateur requirements/compensation restrictions for athletes competing in Olympic sports initially eased in the early 1970s? Compensation for Olympic sport athletes has continued to evolve. Prize money in the U.S. for earning medals is relatively small compared to things like NIL, but other compensation can reach six figures and more. I'm sure the NCAA will allow, if it hasn't already, NIL without restrictions for Olympic sports participants. I think smaller colleges/universities with good weather for outdoor sports, outstanding facilities and excellent coaching might be able to compete quite well with larger institutions in earning NCAA championships and recruiting/retaining Olympic sport athletes. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,904 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/21/2024 3:41:29 PM  Carl Lewis, Michael Phelps, Dan Jansen, Katie Ledecky and other stars all made a fortune in appearance fees at meets. If a school can capitalize on their attendance (and they can) - they will now be additionally compensated via NIL. And like any sport - the stars will make much more than the others. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,080 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/21/2024 4:59:05 PM  rpbobcat wrote: There's an article by CL Brown of the Louisville Courier Journal (google his name, its comes up) about the possible demise of certain Olympic Sports. The problem ? Money, of course. With the migration of Big Time college sports, especially football and basketball to a pro-like model, athletic departments are going to be hard pressed to still be able to fund non-revenue sports. The article points out how many Olympic Athletes come from non revenue NCAA sports. Its a good read. Revenue or profit sports? If it's the latter, all sports at MAC schools are non-revenue. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,444 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/21/2024 6:32:05 PM  Most athletic directors are probably looking forward to the day they don't have to pretend to care about "Olympic" sports. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,082 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/22/2024 7:19:17 PM  The NCAA proposal is a cap on player spending equal to a percentage of the power conference budgets. Spending cap I believe is going to be against the sum total of institutional and NIL money. But the power conference teams have a lot more sports and athletes than do the smaller conferences. The cuts could be a combination of sports and/or roster sizes. Football is a prime target with the most athletes and practice squads ballooning to 120-130. Then football will have the highest market demand generally for payments. Its the third inning on all of this. Alston case was inning 1. NIL collectives inning 2. NIL settlement was inning 3. Roster adjustments to support the settlement are probably next. Its going to be a few years before its fully fleshed out what it will mean for MAC athletics. Pay could go in the direction of the UFC where players earn "performance bonuses". Salaries will stop the transfer flow of players moving down even being on the bench at a power school. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,082 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/22/2024 7:33:33 PM  JSF wrote: Most athletic directors are probably looking forward to the day they don't have to pretend to care about "Olympic" sports. There is Title IX so I don't think Olympic sports are going away. It may be scholarships are going away with all the student athletes making minimum wage and taking out student loans like everyone else. Having 5 swimmers on scholarship with 10 non-scholarship swimmers could be replaced by 12 paid swimmers. I'm optimistic because if they cut rosters its going to trickle more talent down to the MAC. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,941 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 6/24/2024 12:07:36 PM  Campus Flow wrote: JSF wrote: Most athletic directors are probably looking forward to the day they don't have to pretend to care about "Olympic" sports. There is Title IX so I don't think Olympic sports are going away. It may be scholarships are going away with all the student athletes making minimum wage and taking out student loans like everyone else. Having 5 swimmers on scholarship with 10 non-scholarship swimmers could be replaced by 12 paid swimmers. I'm optimistic because if they cut rosters its going to trickle more talent down to the MAC. Title IX will be open for interpretation with this SCoTUS Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 725 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 7/1/2024 5:50:43 AM  If you follow the Geopolitical model, I doubt that most of the rest of the World will care about Olympic Sports, let alone be able to support it. The United States is the only real place that not only has all the Natural Resources that it needs, but the population too. I don't see the NIL changes having any negative impact on the United States being able to compete Internationally down the road. Last Edited: 7/1/2024 5:51:13 AM by Maddog13 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,941 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 7/1/2024 11:15:47 PM  Maddog13 wrote: If you follow the Geopolitical model, I doubt that most of the rest of the World will care about Olympic Sports, let alone be able to support it. The United States is the only real place that not only has all the Natural Resources that it needs, but the population too. I don't see the NIL changes having any negative impact on the United States being able to compete Internationally down the road. According to one prominent commencement speaker, we should only focus on men’s sports, women need to focus on having kids. Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,308 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 7/2/2024 10:52:30 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: According to one prominent commencement speaker, we should only focus on men’s sports, women need to focus on having kids. Samuel "Gilead" Alito? Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,566 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 10/11/2024 10:58:12 PM  All sports could be revenue sports with the correct marketing and management Many have long believed women's sports couldn't make money but that is clearly changing. It is all how it is marketed I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,941 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 10/16/2024 6:04:46 PM  The Optimist wrote: All sports could be revenue sports with the correct marketing and management Many have long believed women's sports couldn't make money but that is clearly changing. It is all how it is marketed You got a marketing plan you can give the department. A being a revenue sport doesn’t mean you are profitable. You could possibly start a consulting business was and help these programs build revenue and then other schools would hire you and, you could be the next Chad Estis. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,460 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 10/28/2024 8:35:10 AM  If a "Non-revenue" sport ceases to be a varsity sport, that doesn't mean that it needs to cease to exist. It can continue, and become a club sport. I participated in a club sport, and you still compete with other schools. There are two main differences. The first is that no one is on scholarship because of athletic ability, though players can still receive needs-based scholarships, or academic scholarships. The second is that the players in the club have ongoing fund-raising activity. They can sell items, do car-washes, or whatever. They can sell tickets to the competition, as well, and the revenue goes to the club. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if all sports ended up being club sports, but that will never happen because there is too much money involved. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Jeff Johnson General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 181 Status: Offline     RE: Non revenue sports    Posted: 11/3/2024 12:32:16 AM  L.C. wrote: If a "Non-revenue" sport ceases to be a varsity sport, that doesn't mean that it needs to cease to exist. It can continue, and become a club sport. I participated in a club sport, and you still compete with other schools. There are two main differences. The first is that no one is on scholarship because of athletic ability, though players can still receive needs-based scholarships, or academic scholarships. The second is that the players in the club have ongoing fund-raising activity. They can sell items, do car-washes, or whatever. They can sell tickets to the competition, as well, and the revenue goes to the club. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if all sports ended up being club sports, but that will never happen because there is too much money involved. Ohio's ice hockey team is a club sport and appears to be doing well, although they have been forced to cancel or relocate some of their games in 2024 because of the temporary closure of Bird Arena until Jan 2025. 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