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Back to Top Bobcat Jerry General User Member Since: 5/3/2017 Post Count: 243 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/5/2022 6:07:59 PM  Agree, Other MAC teams seem to keep their coaches. I recognize many MAC coaches year after year. Boals shows incredible love for Ohio University and that is contagious with the players and fans. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,080 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/5/2022 7:00:58 PM  SBH wrote: We've been here before -- program on the rise and suddenly we lose our coach and a great incoming class. Keeping Boals could completely change the program trajectory over the next 10-15 years. Give him a deal guaranteeing he'll be the #1 or #2 top paid coach in the league. I'd be interested in how you would structure the deal - buyouts for both the coach and the university, bonuses for performance including graduation rates, reductions for poor performance, etc. And for what it's worth, nothing is going to happen until at least 8:00 pm on March 13th. Last Edited: 2/6/2022 1:39:22 PM by Alan Swank Back to Top Cellis033 General User Member Since: 11/11/2021 Location: Powell, OH Post Count: 1,575 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/5/2022 7:13:41 PM  SBH wrote: We've been here before -- program on the rise and suddenly we lose our coach and a great incoming class. Keeping Boals could completely change the program trajectory over the next 10-15 years. Give him a deal guaranteeing he'll be the #1 or #2 top paid coach in the league. I wholeheartedly agree with this! Might as well sign him now! Chase OU Engineering Technology and Management '24 Honda of America Assembly Equipment Engineer Muck Fiami Kant read, Kant write Bowling Green Normie School what even is Kron's mascot Back to Top Rbrat10 General User Member Since: 12/15/2020 Location: Portsmouth, OH Post Count: 41 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/5/2022 8:57:52 PM  Agree. Give him whatever he wants and give him whatever help he needs in recruiting. #OUOHYEAH Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,082 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/5/2022 9:00:40 PM  That isn't a bad idea to insure a raise structure that keeps Boals in the Top 2 highest paid coaches in the MAC. Works for Boals if he was made the highest paid coach upon signing. If he doesn't get a raise out of it and MAC coaching salaries move lower not so much. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top FlashGary General User Member Since: 6/18/2013 Location: Long Island, NY Post Count: 379 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 2:43:10 AM  Club Hyatt wrote: That isn't a bad idea to insure a raise structure that keeps Boals in the Top 2 highest paid coaches in the MAC. Works for Boals if he was made the highest paid coach upon signing. If he doesn't get a raise out of it and MAC coaching salaries move lower not so much. We may have an elite coach on our hands, folks. So it may take a few dollars more than making coach Boals the highest paid coach in the MAC. If the big boys don't come after him following this season, if things fall in place as I hope they do, he'll be a hot ticket following next season, that's for sure. I most certainly want to see him stay, to see this work out, to see if he can do what Butler did right here in Athens!!! Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,887 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 9:40:57 AM  If we were to renegotiate Boals contract it should include a large buy out clause, like $1,000,000.00. This way at least we recover what could be at least 2 years of salary for the next coach. GO BOBCATS Back to Top potstirred General User Member Since: 9/23/2010 Post Count: 148 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 10:49:36 AM  71 BOBCAT wrote: If we were to renegotiate Boals contract it should include a large buy out clause, like $1,000,000.00. This way at least we recover what could be at least 2 years of salary for the next coach. GO BOBCATS That has kind of a Dr. Evil tone to it. Let’s face it some team will come calling with a 5 year 5 million per offer . If Bruce Pearl can get 50 million then we better hope money isn’t the only thing for Boals. I don’t think it is Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 1,014 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 11:24:42 AM  potstirred wrote: 71 BOBCAT wrote: If we were to renegotiate Boals contract it should include a large buy out clause, like $1,000,000.00. This way at least we recover what could be at least 2 years of salary for the next coach. GO BOBCATS That has kind of a Dr. Evil tone to it. Let’s face it some team will come calling with a 5 year 5 million per offer . If Bruce Pearl can get 50 million then we better hope money isn’t the only thing for Boals. I don’t think it is I agree, that would be a slap in the face. Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,635 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 11:31:01 AM  I do prefer this conversation than debating whether we should eat a buyout or let a contract expire. But to think Ohio is in any position to lock up anybody, even Jeff Boals, is naive. We have not shown any capacity as a booster group to step up. Period. Full stop. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,846 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 11:48:48 AM  A hefty buyout is the only way renegotiating the contract makes any sense. The university's still not healthy financially and the athletic department loses millions every year. It's propped up by mandatory student fees, many of which are paid by students who don't care if a basketball team even exists. If you were AD, you'd have a lot of justifying to do to give anyone a raise using more university dollars - and you'd be inviting a lot of outrage even if you could. Everyone on this site wants great coaches and continuity but when even the lowliest P5 program can easily quadruple your best possible offer it's a fool's errand to think that finding a few hundred grand will really move the needle. I think it's safe to assume Boals is happy in Athens, but it's also safe to assume he is hypercompetitive and would love to win at the highest level. And it's also safe to assume he can tell the difference between the very best Ohio can offer and the average P5 offer. Right now he makes $581,000 for himself and $381,000 for his assistants while hoping to win the MAC's single bid. He also rides a bus most places and his team doesn't even have a practice gym. For comparison to a "crappy" job in a P5: Nebraska is a "football school" that's winless in the B1G this year and coach Fred Hoiberg is in the midst of a guaranteed seven-year $25 million contract. His assistants make $1 million a year. His team practices in a facility that looks like a country club. His league sent nine teams to the NCAA Tournament last year. But yeah, Jeff Boals, who lives in suburban Columbus, just loves Athens too much to leave for a job like that. And if we scrape together enough pennies Ohio can compete with a job like that. There's not enough green Kool-Aid in the world to make me believe that. I've said it before but it bears repeating: let's just enjoy what we have while we have it. Back to Top genessee General User Member Since: 12/29/2004 Post Count: 74 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 1:50:48 PM  I’m not going to be popular but send football down to fcs to make it happen. We’ve often been on the fringe of being a big time basketball school. I’d rather be in the tournament every couple of years than in a bowl game with 10 percent of the national interest. Transfer portal is also going to slaughter us if we don’t make bball a priority. It’s criminal to ask student fees to cover athletics. If we dropped to I-AA would we also be able to cut some other expensive sports— men and women? Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,260 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 2:22:17 PM  genessee wrote: I’m not going to be popular but send football down to fcs to make it happen. We’ve often been on the fringe of being a big time basketball school. I’d rather be in the tournament every couple of years than in a bowl game with 10 percent of the national interest. Transfer portal is also going to slaughter us if we don’t make bball a priority. It’s criminal to ask student fees to cover athletics. If we dropped to I-AA would we also be able to cut some other expensive sports— men and women? This is not really how it works. Dropping football to FCS doesn't guarantee there would suddenly be money to spend on men's basketball. They aren't looking to spend X amount of money on athletics just to spend it. They are looking for something for the University in return. Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 1,014 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 3:00:44 PM  genessee wrote: I’m not going to be popular but send football down to fcs to make it happen. We’ve often been on the fringe of being a big time basketball school. I’d rather be in the tournament every couple of years than in a bowl game with 10 percent of the national interest. Transfer portal is also going to slaughter us if we don’t make bball a priority. It’s criminal to ask student fees to cover athletics. If we dropped to I-AA would we also be able to cut some other expensive sports— men and women? I'm against cutting any teams Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,593 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 3:07:57 PM  Victory wrote: They are looking for something for the University in return. I don't doubt that this is true. But it's anybody able to articulate the return from football? I'm not an expert on these things by any stretch, so it could well be obvious and I'd still miss it. But where are we seeing the ROI from football? Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,444 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 3:24:24 PM  The MAC would kick us out if we dropped to 1-AA or cut footbaw. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,593 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 3:32:59 PM  JSF wrote: The MAC would kick us out if we dropped to 1-AA or cut footbaw. Definitely. It would have to be a MAC-wide decision. Not likely at all, but that's how it would have to work. Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,260 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 4:39:04 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: A hefty buyout is the only way renegotiating the contract makes any sense. The university's still not healthy financially and the athletic department loses millions every year. It's propped up by mandatory student fees, many of which are paid by students who don't care if a basketball team even exists. If you were AD, you'd have a lot of justifying to do to give anyone a raise using more university dollars - and you'd be inviting a lot of outrage even if you could. Everyone on this site wants great coaches and continuity but when even the lowliest P5 program can easily quadruple your best possible offer it's a fool's errand to think that finding a few hundred grand will really move the needle. I think it's safe to assume Boals is happy in Athens, but it's also safe to assume he is hypercompetitive and would love to win at the highest level. And it's also safe to assume he can tell the difference between the very best Ohio can offer and the average P5 offer. Right now he makes $581,000 for himself and $381,000 for his assistants while hoping to win the MAC's single bid. He also rides a bus most places and his team doesn't even have a practice gym. For comparison to a "crappy" job in a P5: Nebraska is a "football school" that's winless in the B1G this year and coach Fred Hoiberg is in the midst of a guaranteed seven-year $25 million contract. His assistants make $1 million a year. His team practices in a facility that looks like a country club. His league sent nine teams to the NCAA Tournament last year. But yeah, Jeff Boals, who lives in suburban Columbus, just loves Athens too much to leave for a job like that. And if we scrape together enough pennies Ohio can compete with a job like that. There's not enough green Kool-Aid in the world to make me believe that. I've said it before but it bears repeating: let's just enjoy what we have while we have it. I think the best we can hope for is that is alumni status and his kids being in the same school (and possibly a little bit bigger salary and longer contract) gives him incentive to wait for a job with the best chance for success like some have in the past. If Shaka Smart or Brad Stevens has accepted the Illinois job instead of waiting for the right opportunity to leave then we might have had Groce for at least another year. I would bank on that but I don't think anyone knows. Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,260 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 6:09:01 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Victory wrote: They are looking for something for the University in return. I don't doubt that this is true. But it's anybody able to articulate the return from football? I'm not an expert on these things by any stretch, so it could well be obvious and I'd still miss it. But where are we seeing the ROI from football? I sort of went off in the 2022 Football Schedule thread. But to be nice, ask yourself what the University expects to get out of fielding a Basketball team. If you can answer that you will pretty much have your answer for football. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,593 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 6:23:32 PM  Victory wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Victory wrote: They are looking for something for the University in return. I don't doubt that this is true. But it's anybody able to articulate the return from football? I'm not an expert on these things by any stretch, so it could well be obvious and I'd still miss it. But where are we seeing the ROI from football? I sort of went off in the 2022 Football Schedule thread. But to be nice, ask yourself what the University expects to get out of fielding a Basketball team. If you can answer that you will pretty much have your answer for football. I do get that the theory's identical between basketball in football. The difference is that in basketball it seems like we've actually seen success. Several tournament victories, and increased awareness that -- if I recall -- showed itself immediately in greater undergraduate application volume. It seems like there's actually been some return on that investment. At least return that I can quantify, as an outsider. Is there anything similar from the football investment? Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,260 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 7:28:17 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Victory wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Victory wrote: They are looking for something for the University in return. I don't doubt that this is true. But it's anybody able to articulate the return from football? I'm not an expert on these things by any stretch, so it could well be obvious and I'd still miss it. But where are we seeing the ROI from football? I sort of went off in the 2022 Football Schedule thread. But to be nice, ask yourself what the University expects to get out of fielding a Basketball team. If you can answer that you will pretty much have your answer for football. I do get that the theory's identical between basketball in football. The difference is that in basketball it seems like we've actually seen success. Several tournament victories, and increased awareness that -- if I recall -- showed itself immediately in greater undergraduate application volume. It seems like there's actually been some return on that investment. At least return that I can quantify, as an outsider. Is there anything similar from the football investment? Thd President amd board, for the most part, are not spending student tuition on sports because they are fans. They are not quite exactly looking for success. What they are looking for is exposure. Success does help bring exposure. Success may help Alumni donations. But basketball is less popular and you are competing with far more schools for time. I think you are still thinking about it as a fan and not as a school. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,334 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 8:35:51 PM  Coach Boals will be big time soonwr than later. The guy I love is Lamar Thornton. I would love for him to be a coach in waiting. Jeff is destined for big things and so is Lamar but if Jeff leaves we need to hire Lamar the next day. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,082 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 9:00:27 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: A hefty buyout is the only way renegotiating the contract makes any sense. The university's still not healthy financially and the athletic department loses millions every year. It's propped up by mandatory student fees, many of which are paid by students who don't care if a basketball team even exists. If you were AD, you'd have a lot of justifying to do to give anyone a raise using more university dollars - and you'd be inviting a lot of outrage even if you could. Everyone on this site wants great coaches and continuity but when even the lowliest P5 program can easily quadruple your best possible offer it's a fool's errand to think that finding a few hundred grand will really move the needle. I think it's safe to assume Boals is happy in Athens, but it's also safe to assume he is hypercompetitive and would love to win at the highest level. And it's also safe to assume he can tell the difference between the very best Ohio can offer and the average P5 offer. Right now he makes $581,000 for himself and $381,000 for his assistants while hoping to win the MAC's single bid. He also rides a bus most places and his team doesn't even have a practice gym. For comparison to a "crappy" job in a P5: Nebraska is a "football school" that's winless in the B1G this year and coach Fred Hoiberg is in the midst of a guaranteed seven-year $25 million contract. His assistants make $1 million a year. His team practices in a facility that looks like a country club. His league sent nine teams to the NCAA Tournament last year. But yeah, Jeff Boals, who lives in suburban Columbus, just loves Athens too much to leave for a job like that. And if we scrape together enough pennies Ohio can compete with a job like that. There's not enough green Kool-Aid in the world to make me believe that. I've said it before but it bears repeating: let's just enjoy what we have while we have it. I don't see what the university has to lose to give something like a 10 year extension for Boals pre Cleveland a shot. Any contract like that is going to come with a significant buyout so the university might actually come out ahead financially if he goes elsewhere early. That also gives Boals time to wait until that one big season if he chooses to before making a move. This year he could make the dance but be 1 and done in the NCAAs. Next year not even make the NCAAs but the following year make a Sweet 16. He doesn't have to take the first train out of dodge here because this is the type of program that can reload quickly. If he makes it 8 years in Athens that is a long term coach in my view. He doesn't have to coach until retirement in Athens to have an impactful tenure. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,082 Status: Offline     RE: If I were the AD, I'd offer Jeff Boals a 10-year contract right now    Posted: 2/6/2022 9:12:04 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Victory wrote: They are looking for something for the University in return. I don't doubt that this is true. But it's anybody able to articulate the return from football? I'm not an expert on these things by any stretch, so it could well be obvious and I'd still miss it. But where are we seeing the ROI from football? What he means is the budget is the way it is to cover the expenses the way they are. Cut a few sports, the university spends less and its a smaller budget. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 63 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2 | 3    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 236 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 236 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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